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Phish
You are not the only one
In reply to: Am I the only one... ? (Motion sickness in Halo)I've only ever got it for one game. I have never played Halo, and it is likely that I won't play it for quite a while, but I have had it for one game - Myst 3. Not Myth 3, Myst 3. It is a really nice game by the way, but it has this camera control system which is similar to FPSers, except that it is really really smooth and uses some acceleration system. It is easy to get used to, but after some time of playing I do feel pretty car-sick. But unlike car-sickness, it takes bloody *ages* to clear! The only reason I thought it was the game was because my mother said she got it with the game almost as soon as she picked it up.
I think she was more prone to it because she had never played a game before, let alone one with a dizzifying camera movement.
For me, it doesn't happen too quickly - I have to play the game for hours before the queasyness sets in.
I really sympathise with you Noc, that is a really frustrating situation to be in. What I would recommend is that you sit further back from the TV so that you are less imersed in the game, and you are more aware of the surroundings of the room around you. Let your brain know that you are sitting on a sofa in a room, watching a box with pictures going across it, and not running across a landscape without bobbing up and down :-)
Hopefully that should help. Also, what might have been the problem is the lighting? Try doing it in complete daylight with a supply of fresh air :-)
--Phish
Anonymous (not verified)
You're not alone...
In reply to: Am I the only one... ? (Motion sickness in Halo)I posted on HBO that Halo made my wife throw up after watching me play for only a few minutes. I hadn't come back to the game for quite some time (too bust playing football) only to find that now as I play I get queasy too!
So I've got a question for you: what size tv are you playing on? I was on the Halo dev team and never noticed the problem before playing at home. I'd just play the game on the devkit at my desk it wouldn't bother me (with a nice normal sized tv), but on my big screen tv at home I get ill.
noctavis wrote on Tuesday, 12/11/2001 - 6:16 pm:
: Okay, so I finally give in and order an Xbox. ("And yea
: verily, there was much rejoicing and 'I told you so's in the
: land.") During the insane wait for mine to arrive, I've been
: using my in-Laws' box. There's only one problem... and it
: manifests the most in Halo, even though I play Halo the
: most.
:
: Motion sickness
: I go for 15 - 30 minutes, and have to put down the
: controller and hobble away. I can have queasiness for hours
: afterward. I've absolutely never had it this bad from
: a game before. And on desktop systems it's mostly old, old
: games which do it. Like Doom. I can't remember getting it
: from Quake. Shoot, I used to play Quake for hours. I
: jokingly refer to myself as a "Reformed Quaker".
:
: The cause? Well, I'm a nurse in real life, so I know the
: basics... my brain can't match up the visual input with what
: my inner-ear is telling it, so it gets confused. A knowitall
: friend of mine - no, really... he knows a hell of a lot ;-)
: - tells me that they've discovered that a small amount of
: head-bob in games makes for less motion sickness. Too much
: head-bob can cause motion sickness, and a total absence can
: cause a LOT of motion sickness in people. I don't know, but
: I don't see any head-bob in Halo. There is also that the
: frame rate is rarely better than 30fps.
:
: Where's it coming from?
: So... what'm I doing? Well, on Sunday night I called and
: cancelled my Xbox order. I sent back accessories and games
: from multiple companies. With much frustration.
:
: And I've also been attempting to get over it. Every
: morning after work (I work nights, with kiddos) I think to
: myself, "You WUSS. Go back, get UP ON the HORSE," and head
: over to my in-Laws' place after work. The horse bucks me
: off, stomps on me a few times and sends me home in my truck.
: Lather, Rinse, Repeat the next day. Hey - I rarely get
: motion-sick in cars with books anymore, just because I used
: to read so much as a kid, so I wondered if I could develop a
: tolerance. It may take awhile, or it may never happen... so
: far I'm not making progress.
:
: The thing that I'm wondering, though, is whether I'm the
: only one... whether this is something relating specifically
: to me - and possibly to an accident which I had roughly a
: year ago (in which a local bus demolished my car, with me in
: it - their fault) - or if anyone else is having difficulty
: like this. It currently appears to be specific to Halo...
: but that's the #1 reason that I got the Xbox. No other
: titles so far, including Air Force Delta Storm and others
: have so far produced these symptoms. I'm told that "Super
: Monkey Ball" on the Gamecube would drive me absofreaklutely
: insane. I can believe that. ;-)
:
: I've got to tell you... after all of the time that I spent
: on various websites related to Halo, and money as well (lots
: of money... it can be expensive to go to E3, keep
: subscriptions, etc.), I felt I just had to play this
: game at the end of it all. But right now I'm in a state of
: frustration.
:
: What can I do about it?
: Some say, "Eat ginger-snaps to control the nausea!" I'll
: admit I'd never heard that one, but I don't discount herbal
: remedies. I've seen them work, and my Mosby's drug manual
: even comes with a section on them (and their interactions
: with pharmaceuticals) this year. I've thought about laying
: down some cash on an antiemetic like Dramamine, but is ANY
: game really worth a dependence of sorts on a drug? I have a
: hard enough time getting myself to take legitimate
: drugs.
:
: Tomorrow: Play. Drop my controller. Rest a bit before
: hobbling out to my truck and driving home. Heh, if I'm going
: to continue to submit myself to this Hell - though I chose
: not to this morning, after taking care of a tougher kiddo -
: maybe I should just get an Xbox anyway. But I'm seeing if I
: can kick this. I'm an Army Sergeant, and it annoys me to no
: end when things like this come 'round. I don't like feeling
: weak. So I'll keep trying, where possible. If I can't beat
: this, then I guess I'll never finish Halo. :-/
:
:
Noctavis
: Bunbu Itchi - "The pen and sword in accord"
pimpy
Peripheral Vision problems mb...
In reply to: You're not alone...It was interesting that you mentioned television size as using a smaller tv takes much more effort and focus to completely block out the surrounding environment, whereas a large screen tv can easily allow you to become immersed in the events on the screen. I would be interested to know what the outcome of different size tv's would be as I think smaller might be better in some cases as you can never only be looking directly at the screen. So perhaps using a tiny 19" or the like would be the answer to your problem. That, or making sure your television wobbles a lot.
Sincerely,
Pimpy™
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Peripheral Vision problems mb...
In reply to: Peripheral Vision problems mb...Just take some motion-sick pills and that should get rid on the problem. Dramamine or something like that. Just make sure you don't overdose, then you REALLY be sick. Like I said before, I used to get queezy when I played Half-Life but I took some motion-sick pills and I no longer have that problem. I never had that problem with Halo to start with, but you never know.
Anonymous (not verified)
Sucks to that
In reply to: Am I the only one... ? (Motion sickness in Halo)My mom had the same problem the only time I got her to play marathon with me. We went about five minutes, then she was lying on the floor trying to get the room to stop moving.
I've never really had any problem with motion sickness, so I don't know how to help you. Any other problem I always try to embrace it mentally instead of fighting, ride the wave instead of stopping it, if you will. I dunno, people at school pick on me for it, but it works for heat/cold/pain, it might work for motion sickness.
Good luck.
Darks
noctavis
An Update
In reply to: Am I the only one... ? (Motion sickness in Halo)Well, I've got to say that I appreciate everything. The advice proffered has been exceptionally high-quality and interesting from this thread. =)
Yesterday, I purchased my Stepfather-in-Law's extra Xbox (Which he was thinking of selling on E-Bay), and then some additional equipment and such at Kay-Bee Toys. All told, due to the lack of S&H charges and some freebies from my SiL, I saved $60-70 off what I would have paid if I hadn't cancelled my order with EBWorld.Com. EB is stupid, anyway, for having treated Mac users like crap for years before finally dumping them. I was just being mercenary, and going where the boxes were.
I also obtained some Dramamine... one of the few antiemetics which may be obtained, over the counter. It worked great yesterday before I passed out (Drowsiness is a side effect) and woke up with a puddle of drool on my entertainment room's floor. ;-) Not a single tinge of nausea, though, and my television is smaller than my in-Laws'. (Thanks, Saber)
A few replies:
Anyway, we'll see how that goes. I plan to set up XboxGW sometime, and then hopefully some of us (who frequent r.net) can get a game on. One thing I'm wondering is: if I put a wireless networking base station downstairs with my Xbox, alone, will it also serve as a simple NIC and connect me to my existing LAN? (which has an Airport base station already) That would be very cool.
Anyway... I just thought I'd update you all. Ta-tah! And thanks, again, for all of your suggestions!
Noctavis
Bunbu Itchi - "The pen and sword in accord"
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: An Update
In reply to: An UpdateI must get me some Dramamine....
The only way I can play Halo is Co-op. The wide screen/field of view makes up for lack of peripheral vision.... Multiplayer is fine too, so long as I sit far enough back from the TV when I have 1/4 of the screen. :)
Ganbatte yo!
Cheers!
+ mehve, who's on vacation, but stuck indoors due to tropical storm... =P
(wish we packed the Xbox! ^^ hehe)
Anonymous (not verified)
Photoshop 7?
Sinewave posted a pic of PS 7's splash screen. I doubt it's real.
http://63.229.177.25/forums/show.asp?id=2952&fid=12&tid=0
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Photoshop 7?
In reply to: Photoshop 7?Ciaervo wrote on Wednesday, 12/12/2001 - 5:16 pm:
: Sinewave posted a pic of PS 7's splash screen. I doubt
: it's real.
:
:
: http://63.229.177.25/forums/show.asp?id=2952&fid=12&tid=0
Can't believe I didn't catch this thread sooner.
It's very real. I got build 43 from sources close to Adobe, and can verify it as authentic.
Slow as hell, though, so far, but it's X-native. It's due out in the second quarter of this year, from what I've read, so there's plenty of time for acceleration and optimization.
tobin
Nintendo claims 1.1M shipped and 800K sold
http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.121401/213480081
I think it's time for MS to cut the bullshit and make a claim of its own. They've issued releases for units shipped, game attach ratings, Halo shipping numbers, etc. They have not issued a release with the most important number of all...
This is getting silly. They've had 4+ weeks to tabulate a number...ANY kind of number would be nice. units sold in the first week? Units sold in the first 2 weeks? Units sold in the first 3? Hello?
Anonymous (not verified)
Oh come now, it's not hard to reason why...
In reply to: Nintendo claims 1.1M shipped and 800K soldtobin wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 6:50 am:
: : href="http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.121401/213480081">http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.121401/213480081
:
: I think it's time for MS to cut the bullshit and make a
: claim of its own. They've issued releases for units
: shipped, game attach ratings, Halo shipping numbers, etc.
: They have not issued a release with the most important
: number of all...
:
: This is getting silly. They've had 4+ weeks to tabulate a
: number...ANY kind of number would be nice. units sold in
: the first week? Units sold in the first 2 weeks? Units
: sold in the first 3? Hello?
Microsoft knows that they're gonna lose a shitload of money on the XBox, and won't break even until whenever (2004?), so they can't make the first move. It's a potential marketeers nightmare. Imagine what happens if MS gives a definite number, and then the next day Nintendo rolls out and *boom*, they've got bigger numbers. Besides the fact that MS now cannot keep up in this race of corporate penis-envy, they have the potential to lose customers as well because Nintendo has the upper hand. BUT, if Nintendo makes the first move (like they just have), then MS has the ability to sidestep being crushed by the weight of GC's sold. If XBox's are a greater number, then they just come out with their own release and take the lead away from Nintendo, gaining potential customers. But, if their numbers can't compete, they just don't issue them for a while. Keep the numbers a secret and then slowly leak them when no one cares (or, wait a longer amount of time and hope that XBox numbers will slowly creap on GC ones and take the lead). Nintendo took a bold step by issuing those numbers first, and I think they realized that MS is not putting out direct numbers like Nintendo has: which likely means that MS's numbers don't compete.
So, in my opinion, don't expect any direct numbers being very boldly stated anytime soon because I think MS has lost the opening battle. Of course, they do still have the upper hand in the war, but that's another post entirely ;)
- DaftShadow =PN=
tobin
Re: Oh come now, it's not hard to reason why...
In reply to: Oh come now, it's not hard to reason why...So you think they have the upperhand even when they are afraid enough to issue a press release? I don't buy it. MS could buy Take Two AND Infogrames AND a few other companies AND still lose. They could buy a lot of PC game makers, but they'll never buy Capcom, Konami, Square, Namco and others. I think this will turn out to be one of the markets Microsoft will fail to buy itself into, and they'll have to try much harder to get their next console right.
Nintendo did the smar tthing, their initial marketing push was toward a younger audience, where parents buy the consoles for their kids. These households are single-console households, and Nintendo locked them up early. Come Spring and Summer, Nintendo's heavy-hitters and more mature titles come out, and the older audiences will bite. I think older gamers are much more likely to have two consoles at once.
Anonymous (not verified)
Yes and No...
In reply to: Re: Oh come now, it's not hard to reason why...tobin wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 1:11 pm:
: So you think they have the upperhand even when they are
: afraid enough to issue a press release? I don't buy it. MS
: could buy Take Two AND Infogrames AND a few other companies
: AND still lose. They could buy a lot of PC game makers, but
: they'll never buy Capcom, Konami, Square, Namco and others.
: I think this will turn out to be one of the markets
: Microsoft will fail to buy itself into, and they'll have to
: try much harder to get their next console right.
:
Yea, but MS has the resources to take this to the Long Run and win out. I don't just mean buying companies either, I mean things like making their console more powerful and putting more in, knowing that they likely aren't going to break even. Nintendo can't do that. Sony can't do that. Sure, they can go over the limit a little, but they need to make those funds back quick. MS doesn't have to, they can just run thru and thru and thru, and as long as they come out profitable in the end that's all that matters.
Of course, their next console isn't likely to be a console at all, it will be a home-computer-entertainment-services system, or whatever else you want to classify it as. .NET will not just be a console, and the XBox is, for all intents and purposes, the prototype market test.
: Nintendo did the smar tthing, their initial marketing push
: was toward a younger audience, where parents buy the
: consoles for their kids. These households are
: single-console households, and Nintendo locked them up
: early. Come Spring and Summer, Nintendo's heavy-hitters and
: more mature titles come out, and the older audiences will
: bite. I think older gamers are much more likely to have two
: consoles at once.
Tru on that point. Nintendo went directly for the kids right off the bat, but this lost them the adults to the XBox. SOME "older gamers are...likely to have two consoles at once", but not most. That word, most, is what could hinder Nintendo the greatest in the end. That szme word is what could put MS over the limit. Most young gamers will want a GC NOW, before christmas. Most older gamers are not that stupid, and understand that over a little bit of time the prices will have to drop. So these guys intend to wait out the holiday season. Come the end of it, I expect that GC's potential customer base of youthful audiences will drop off (the holidays are over, so these little guys aren't getting ANY presents now) and Nintendo will have a good two months of Nothing to offer. They will not be able to catch the older audiences becauase the GC games don't come out until spring, while MS will have games for the older generation of gamers (the group that WILL be buying systems post-christmas) and, as such, they will get the larger percentrage of sales. This, of course, will be the oppurtune time for MS to start thinking of talking a lot about those damn sales records because there is the potential, if handled correctly, for MS to take a very astronomical sales lead for the new year (of course, they won't do Total because that number isn't as much fun ;)
- DaftShadow =PN=
tobin
Re: Yes and No...
In reply to: Yes and No...DaftShadow =PN= wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 11:36 am:
: Yea, but MS has the resources to take this to the Long Run
: and win out. I don't just mean buying companies either, I
: mean things like making their console more powerful and
: putting more in, knowing that they likely aren't going to
: break even. Nintendo can't do that. Sony can't do that.
: Sure, they can go over the limit a little, but they need to
: make those funds back quick. MS doesn't have to, they can
: just run thru and thru and thru, and as long as they come
: out profitable in the end that's all that matters.
Not true at all. Sony is a behemoth, and with a lot more media clout than MS. They have the biggest record labels and big movie production houses. They're huge. They're right up there with Bertelsmann, News Corp., GE, Disney, Viacom, etc. The big thing is that they have a highly successful history in electronics. Even GE hasn't tried competing with Sony in that arena.
And of course, Nintendo can have the GameCube completely flop and survive on GameBoy and Pokemon profits alone. You're so wrong, it's funny.
: Of course, their next console isn't likely to be a console
: at all, it will be a home-computer-entertainment-services
: system, or whatever else you want to classify it as. .NET
: will not just be a console, and the XBox is, for all intents
: and purposes, the prototype market test.
You're talking about the HomeStation concept? I think the all-in-one set-top box is not worth developing. Why arrest a perfectly good big-screen television to browse the eb on or write an essay? The truth is the PC is not dead, and it will not die any time soon. Instead of bringing the PC out of the study and into the living room, MS and other companies should be developing modular devices that inter-operate with such appliances as home stereos and home theaters.
: Tru on that point. Nintendo went directly for the kids
: right off the bat, but this lost them the adults to the
: XBox. SOME "older gamers are...likely to have two consoles
: at once", but not most. That word, most, is what could
: hinder Nintendo the greatest in the end. That szme word is
: what could put MS over the limit. Most young gamers will
: want a GC NOW, before christmas. Most older gamers are not
: that stupid, and understand that over a little bit of time
: the prices will have to drop. So these guys intend to wait
: out the holiday season. Come the end of it, I expect that
: GC's potential customer base of youthful audiences will drop
: off (the holidays are over, so these little guys aren't
: getting ANY presents now) and Nintendo will have a good two
: months of Nothing to offer. They will not be able to catch
: the older audiences becauase the GC games don't come out
: until spring, while MS will have games for the older
: generation of gamers (the group that WILL be buying systems
: post-christmas) and, as such, they will get the larger
: percentrage of sales. This, of course, will be the
: oppurtune time for MS to start thinking of talking a lot
: about those damn sales records because there is the
: potential, if handled correctly, for MS to take a very
: astronomical sales lead for the new year (of course, they
: won't do Total because that number isn't as much fun ;)
The GC has 21 decent titles available now. If you look at any multiplatform reviews site, you will see that GameCube games are scoring higher than XBox games on average.
-Tobin
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Yes and No...
In reply to: Re: Yes and No...: The GC has 21 decent titles available now. If you look at
: any multiplatform reviews site, you will see that GameCube
: games are scoring higher than XBox games on average.
Not to mention that there are about 44 titles comming out before March.
Id
Sony vs. MS?
In reply to: Re: Yes and No...::Not true at all. Sony is a behemoth, and with a lot more media clout than MS. They have the biggest record labels and big movie production houses. They're huge. They're right up there with Bertelsmann, News Corp., GE, Disney, Viacom, etc. The big thing is that they have a highly successful history in electronics. Even GE hasn't tried competing with Sony in that arena. ::
Well, I'm not trying to be an Xbox fanboi here (the Xbox folks' arguements also have holes in them, albeit ones with which I am less familiar,) but a few things here seem unfounded. Sony may be a 'behemoth' of a company, but it isn't anywhere near the size and influence of companies like GE and Microsoft, which tend to act more often as parent companies for other organizations, and the wide-stretch of the influence is reflected not only in the size of the company itself (i. e. Microsoft's software publishing, GE's other productions, including some electronics) but in the influence of the companies controlled and connected by these parents. And as for media clout, Microsoft isn't exactly weak---ever heard of MSNBC? I sometimes do business research and company strategy (and independent stock investment,) and I realize that these numbers aren't the only factors----but the sheer value of each company, in terms of share cost and volume, leaves Sony somewhat behind.
...as of 12/16/01...
MSFT Nasdaq-NM $ 67.44 pershare/ vol. 21,501,900 (Microsoft)
GE NYSE $ 37.65 pershare/ vol. 26,119,400 (GE)
SNE NYSE $ 46.20 pershare/ vol. 194,000 (Sony Corp.)
I'm not saying that Sony doesn't hold more influence in terms of consoles and small electronics, I'm just saying that in terms of far-reaching influence and industry effects, Microsoft, GE, and other companies are decidely different from Sony.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Um, Sony is not an American company
In reply to: Sony vs. MS?Um, hello? Sony's US division is not Sony. Sony is traded on the Nikkei. McFly? What? Where am I? Why?
Sony IS one of the behemoths. Sony, Disney, GE, Viacom, News Corp, Bertelsmann. These few companies own all of the media industry, and each is a market leader in one sector or another.
Jeez Louise.
Sony and Bertelsmann have a stranglehold on the recording industry for example. You should think before you post absurd irrelevent stats. Tell me, what was the trading volume for MS and GE on the Nikkei today?
Anonymous (not verified)
Right, my mistake--
In reply to: Re: Um, Sony is not an American companyYou're right---I usually don't deal with tech companies, or non-American/European companies for that matter, and I was off on those numbers---I just did a quick symbol search. BUT, I still am fairly certain that on a global scale, Sony is not the equivilant of some of the larger parent corps you've mentioned. I'm not saying that they are not one of the 'behemoths' as you say, I'm just saying that in terms of business reach and influence, they are not the same.
And, on another note here, calm down. You're so eager to jump on anyone and everything disagreeing with you that you come off as an ass and a zealot. These are not good things. Everyone has their own merits in these arguments, and instead of pointing out the flaws and thereby 'voiding' a poster's arguments, try to analyze what the author is saying and respond to that, not looking for a loophole to through your point in. Tchus.
Anonymous (not verified)
Wow...grammer mistakes abound, ignore those :) NT
In reply to: Right, my mistake--Id wrote on Sunday, 12/16/2001 - 4:12 pm:
: You're right---I usually don't deal with tech companies,
: or non-American/European companies for that matter, and I
: was off on those numbers---I just did a quick symbol search.
: BUT, I still am fairly certain that on a global scale, Sony
: is not the equivilant of some of the larger parent corps
: you've mentioned. I'm not saying that they are not one of
: the 'behemoths' as you say, I'm just saying that in terms of
: business reach and influence, they are not the same.
:
: And, on another note here, calm down. You're so eager to
: jump on anyone and everything disagreeing with you that you
: come off as an ass and a zealot. These are not good things.
: Everyone has their own merits in these arguments, and
: instead of pointing out the flaws and thereby 'voiding' a
: poster's arguments, try to analyze what the author is saying
: and respond to that, not looking for a loophole to through
: your point in. Tchus.
Id
Haha, in the title even....NT
In reply to: Wow...grammer mistakes abound, ignore those :) NTId wrote on Sunday, 12/16/2001 - 4:20 pm:
: Id wrote on Sunday, 12/16/2001 - 4:12 pm:
:
: : You're right---I usually don't deal with tech
: companies,
: : or non-American/European companies for that matter, and
: I
: : was off on those numbers---I just did a quick symbol
: search.
: : BUT, I still am fairly certain that on a global scale,
: Sony
: : is not the equivilant of some of the larger parent
: corps
: : you've mentioned. I'm not saying that they are not one
: of
: : the 'behemoths' as you say, I'm just saying that in
: terms of
: : business reach and influence, they are not the same.
: :
: : And, on another note here, calm down. You're so eager
: to
: : jump on anyone and everything disagreeing with you that
: you
: : come off as an ass and a zealot. These are not good
: things.
: : Everyone has their own merits in these arguments, and
: : instead of pointing out the flaws and thereby 'voiding'
: a
: : poster's arguments, try to analyze what the author is
: saying
: : and respond to that, not looking for a loophole to
: through
: : your point in. Tchus.
:
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Yes and No...
In reply to: Yes and No...: Tru on that point. Nintendo went directly for the kids
: right off the bat, but this lost them the adults to the
: XBox. SOME "older gamers are...likely to have two consoles
: at once", but not most.
Exactly. That is why xbox might have lost the launch run to the GC. Think about it. The adults have two consolses to choose from, if they want mature games, not one. These being the PS2 (selling extremely well, even now) and xbox, and maybe the GC. One thing that you guys have to remember is that the GC is not in direct competition with the xbox or PS2. This is because Nintendo made their console, like you said, for younger people and also because the GC is strictly a game machine, unlike the other two. Someone who wants multifuntionality will have to choose, while one who wants to play games has to choose from just one.
. That word, most, is what could
: hinder Nintendo the greatest in the end.
And the word 'competition' might hurt xbox in the future, too. Like I stated above, the PS2 is doing very very very well at the moment.
That szme word is
: what could put MS over the limit. Most young gamers will
: want a GC NOW, before christmas. Most older gamers are not
: that stupid, and understand that over a little bit of time
: the prices will have to drop.
Uh. MS is already loosing $180 american per xbox already. That is why they had to release with bundles, so they didnt take as much of a hit. I dont think that the prices are going to drop any time soon. Maybe at this time next year, but the GC has games like Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, and Metroid due to be released before then. Metroid is Metroid. It will have people swarming to get a GC just because..its Metroid, hhehehe. And if you have played the SNES version, you would know that it is far from a kiddy game. Eternal Darkness is comming out in mid February, and Resident Evil will come out some time next year.
Not to mention that Zelda might come out next year, if we are lucky. And if you call this game kiddy, then Ill call you a retard. I remember that my friends dad wanted an N64 just because of the new Zelda game.
Also, I heard from AnandTech that Nintendo intends to change the type of circuitry in newer GC's released next year so they will be cheaper.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Yes and No...
In reply to: Re: Yes and No...: Uh. MS is already loosing $180 american per xbox already.
Says who? $150 is the upper bound I've heard, and I think even that is pushing the limits of reality (and straying into the FUD zone).
: That is why they had to release with bundles, so they didnt
: take as much of a hit.
It's worth pointing out that retailers decide what is bundled and what isn't, not MS. MS may've encouraged it, but I don't see how (other than suggesting it as a way to sell more games).
: I dont think that the prices are
: going to drop any time soon.
XBox retail prices, no. Production costs, almost certainly. Flextronics, the people who make the XBoxen, were quoted in Wired magazine as saying they believe they can drive the production cost down to $100 per unit (I don't recall the time frame).
All just FYI, purely hearsay. But if you snoop around relatively neutral trade publications long enough, you'll hear statements which resonate.
-rex
Stinger
Re: Yes and No...
In reply to: Yes and No...: Yea, but MS has the resources to take this to the Long Run
: and win out. I don't just mean buying companies either, I
: mean things like making their console more powerful and
: putting more in, knowing that they likely aren't going to
: break even. Nintendo can't do that. Sony can't do that.
: Sure, they can go over the limit a little, but they need to
: make those funds back quick. MS doesn't have to, they can
: just run thru and thru and thru, and as long as they come
: out profitable in the end that's all that matters.
:
PFFT. Nintendo sold something like 3 million copies of those Pokemon games for the N64, and Sony is a giant company outside of its PS2 business. MS isn't messing with a struggling Sega or newbie like 3DO. Nintendo and Sony are companies that have survived competition before, putting several other companies out of business in the process. They know how to play dirty too, and have just as much money to throw around.
As for the system performance being some kind of deciding issue in market dominance, look no further than the GameBoy or PS1. The two best-selling systems PERIOD, and neither was the better platform in terms of performance when compared with competitors' products. It's all about the titles and titles selection. End of story.
: Of course, their next console isn't likely to be a console
: at all, it will be a home-computer-entertainment-services
: system, or whatever else you want to classify it as. .NET
: will not just be a console, and the XBox is, for all intents
: and purposes, the prototype market test.
No, WebTV was a market prototype. The XBox is an attempt to really carve out some market share in the set-top/console market by gearing it towards a younger generation (WebTV was for Grandma).
: Tru on that point. Nintendo went directly for the kids
: right off the bat, but this lost them the adults to the
: XBox. SOME "older gamers are...likely to have two consoles
: at once", but not most. That word, most, is what could
: hinder Nintendo the greatest in the end. That szme word is
: what could put MS over the limit. Most young gamers will
: want a GC NOW, before christmas. Most older gamers are not
: that stupid, and understand that over a little bit of time
: the prices will have to drop. So these guys intend to wait
: out the holiday season. Come the end of it, I expect that
: GC's potential customer base of youthful audiences will drop
: off (the holidays are over, so these little guys aren't
: getting ANY presents now) and Nintendo will have a good two
: months of Nothing to offer. They will not be able to catch
: the older audiences becauase the GC games don't come out
: until spring, while MS will have games for the older
: generation of gamers (the group that WILL be buying systems
: post-christmas) and, as such, they will get the larger
: percentrage of sales. This, of course, will be the
: oppurtune time for MS to start thinking of talking a lot
: about those damn sales records because there is the
: potential, if handled correctly, for MS to take a very
: astronomical sales lead for the new year (of course, they
: won't do Total because that number isn't as much fun ;)
:
: - DaftShadow =PN=
:
"Lost them the adults to the XBox". As far as I know, the PS2 is actually the console for more adults, since devs looking to put out something experimental or geared more for adults are doing so on the PS2, not the XBox. Yes MS is targeting an older audience than Nintendo seems to, but that has nothing to do with when the systems sell. The holiday season is big for all age groups. "Astronomical" sales leads are unlikely now for MS, because everyone will be looking at the future of the XBox based on its current sales figures (November saw sales of 500k GCs to 250k XBoxes...). Plus once the holiday season is over and the rush after the new releases settles, MS and Nintendo will be contending with the PS2 for sales.
--Stinger
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Oh come now, it's not hard to reason why...
In reply to: Re: Oh come now, it's not hard to reason why...: but
: they'll never buy Capcom,
Who are developing titles of their own accord.
: Konami,
Who are developing titles of their own accord.
: Square,
Who were "invested in" by Sony, allegedly on the verge of announcing XBox titles, and who will not be developing for any platform other than the PS for the foreseeable future.
: Namco
Who are developing titles of their own accord.
: and others.
Like Tecmo and Sega, who are developing titles of their own accord.
MS is Mr. Moneybags indeed, but your claims are stretched beyond ridicule if you claim that MS has bought titles from all of these developers. That silver Anti-MS bullet can only penetrate so many bodies.
-rex
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Oh come now, it's not hard to reason why...
In reply to: Re: Oh come now, it's not hard to reason why...I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying MS will not be able to starve the competition by buying out game publishers like those I mentioned. Those companies will never be bought out, unless they ever become financially irrelevent.
MS is Mr. Moneybags, and any aquisitions will be heavily scrutinized by 'neutral publications,' and ridiculed at by gamers who know better.
Carch
Production trouble
In reply to: Nintendo claims 1.1M shipped and 800K soldtobin wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 3:50 am:
: I think it's time for MS to cut the bullshit and make a
: claim of its own. They've issued releases for units
: shipped, game attach ratings, Halo shipping numbers, etc.
: They have not issued a release with the most important
: number of all...
HELLO...
Why does it make such a big difference? Are you happy with your console? I'm happy with mine. Isn't there room in the world for three console systems? Why does one have to be THE BIG WINNER? If you can play the games you want on your cube, and I can play the games I want on my box, and my buddy can play the games he wants on his station, WTF does it matter?
Anyway, I think MS may be having a wee bit o' trouble rampling up production (this is, after all, their first console launch). Maybe they're just trying to avoid blowing things up until they have enough production capacity to fill the channel.
Whether they are or aren't beating Nintendo's numbers doesn't really matter. One month's sales do not a trend make. Microsoft have said they're in it for the long haul, and they have the corporate diversity (as does Sony) to make a long haul strategy work.
_/\ C
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Production trouble
In reply to: Production troubleI agree with him. I mean, what the fuck does it matter to you if X amount of people have cubes and X amount of people have Box. I mean, some people just don't get the fact that, is it about sales? NO. It's about weather the system sux or not. Clearly the Xbox doesn't suk, PS2 doesn't suk, Cube doesn't suk. They all good systems, why should sales interfere with if you enjoy the system or not? Some consoles are better than others, 1. Xbox, 2. PS2, 3.Cube. But still, the same game on 1 system plays almost exactly the same on other systems. Why should the fucking sales matter?? I guess people ar ejust loyal to certain systems. Nintendo freaks, PS Heads, MS fanbois. WTF leave the sales out of it and look to see which system is better, if your gonna argue.
tobin
Re: Production trouble
In reply to: Re: Production troubleLinkinPark11b12 wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 2:29 pm:
: I agree with him. I mean, what the fuck does it matter to
: you if X amount of people have cubes and X amount of people
: have Box. I mean, some people just don't get the fact that,
: is it about sales? NO. It's about weather the system sux or
: not. Clearly the Xbox doesn't suk, PS2 doesn't suk, Cube
: doesn't suk. They all good systems, why should sales
: interfere with if you enjoy the system or not? Some consoles
: are better than others, 1. Xbox, 2. PS2, 3.Cube. But still,
: the same game on 1 system plays almost exactly the same on
: other systems. Why should the fucking sales matter?? I guess
: people ar ejust loyal to certain systems. Nintendo freaks,
: PS Heads, MS fanbois. WTF leave the sales out of it and look
: to see which system is better, if your gonna argue.
It's because this community is heavily XBox biased. I am merely offering some kindling to help spark some better debates than what I am used to on RHL. When otherwise intelligent people say the GameCube is way underpowered compared to the XBox, ciing claims that the GameCube is only capable of drawing 6-12 million polygons/sec vs 125 million on the XBox, somebody has to point out that one number is a ballpark figure for actual in-game conditions and another is maximum theoretical.
Or that the Cube is oriented toward kids. It's oriented towards everybody, jeez. That makes it better, IMO. What's the most kid oriented game on the XBox...Shrek?
I seriously think that most Xbox owners are going to be a little disappointed. There's going to be a massive library of games, yes...but these games will be PC games...and they will play better on a PC than on any console.
From a business standpoint, 3rd place is a bad place to be, at any point. Game developers are going to look at the PS2 and see the large audience...the 6 million PS2 owners in the US alone. They'll look at the GameCube and see the console that is pretty much as powerful as the XBox, with a good following. Microsoft is going to have to buy-out some publishers to compete. And that's a bad thing...for everybody.
-Tobin
Anonymous (not verified)
Jap Freaknasty
In reply to: Re: Production troubleFACE THE FUCKING FACTS LITTLE JAPANESE FREAKNASTY. XBox is the more powerful machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get the fucking picture. Read up on some facts. And, No matter what you say, it's not up to you to decide weather a game on Xbox and PC will play better on PC. Because the Xbox is a mini-Pc if you haven;t noticed. And, no matter what you say, you can play your WEAK LITTLE CUBE, while I play my Xbox, AND ENJOY IT. Keep your Loyalist opinions to yourself.
Earendil
lol, let the flame wars begin :)
In reply to: Jap FreaknastyB*tch :-)
I figured out who you really were linkin...but I have since forgotten :-)
ahh well :)
Earendil
Ishamael
But the question needs to be asked....
In reply to: lol, let the flame wars begin :)Earendil wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 5:31 pm:
: B*tch :-)
:
: I figured out who you really were linkin...but I have
: since forgotten :-)
Does it really matter who it is?
Didn't think so...
: ahh well :)
:
: Earendil
Ish
"And it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel was just a freight train coming your way..." -Metallica
Stinger
This community?
In reply to: Re: Production troubleIt's because this community is heavily XBox biased. I am
: merely offering some kindling to help spark some better
: debates than what I am used to on RHL. When otherwise
: intelligent people say the GameCube is way underpowered
: compared to the XBox, ciing claims that the GameCube is only
: capable of drawing 6-12 million polygons/sec vs 125 million
: on the XBox, somebody has to point out that one number is a
: ballpark figure for actual in-game conditions and another is
: maximum theoretical.
You mean that if someone wants to play Halo or care about Halo at this moment in time, they have to want or currently own an XBox? "This community" started as fans of Halo, not fans of the XBox. Don't get the two confused.
--Stinger
tobin
Re: This community?
In reply to: This community?Stinger wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 6:38 pm:
: You mean that if someone wants to play Halo or care about
: Halo at this moment in time, they have to want or currently
: own an XBox? "This community" started as fans of Halo, not
: fans of the XBox. Don't get the two confused.
I'm actually not getting the two confused. Yes, Halo is a big part of this community, but Halo is driving people to the XBox...and driving people to make ludicrous statements.
1) Ferrex is continually claiming the XBox is outselling the GameCube. There is more proof to the contrary. Of course, he has that chip in the back of his neck which links to the hive mind.
2) Noc points out some comparison tables that compare the GameCube's "6-12 megapolys/s" to the XBox's "125 megapolys/s"...both of which are touting the graphics abilities at the opposite extremes.
3) Everyone seems to be attached to the notion the GameCube is for 2 year olds. This may seem like a horrible stigma at first, but it will bear fruit in a few months.
4) Stinger, you should hang out on RHL sometime. I'm the only GameCube fan there. :D
5) Many of the news bits have nothing to do with Halo and everything to do with the XBox. XBox sales figures, XBox ROM image hijinks, etc. I imagine we'll see the site move away from Bungie and covering more XBox news...there's only so much news out there.
-Tobin
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: This community?
In reply to: Re: This community?GFDI, response, take 2. Mental note: don't preview a post without entering your name, it deletes what you wrote.
: 1) Ferrex is continually claiming the XBox is outselling
: the GameCube.
Remind me again who started this thread, and who is claiming a console is outselling another.
And while I'm at it, let's make an important distinction: I am continually rebutting yours and Datax's argument that the GC is outselling the XBox.
I was not the first person to leap up and say "Victory!" when someone released sales figures. I was not the one claiming the GameCube had sold 2x as many units as the XBox. I was not the one who said MS couldn't have shipped more than 300,000 units to retailers, or could not ship 600,000 before Christmas.
So let's stop pointing fingers and painting one another as ignorant zealots, eh?
: There is more proof to the contrary. Of
: course, he has that chip in the back of his neck which links
: to the hive mind.
Ah yes, because I'm an MS employee, that makes me wrong. You must find that awfully convenient.
"More proof to the contrary". Right Tobin. Cite, if you would, one source other than Nintendo which claims the GC is outselling the XBox. And while you're at it, stop ignoring the reports from both CSFB and NPD (both independant market analysts, BTW) which claim the XBox is either outselling or has at the very least sold as many or more than even Nintendo claims the GC has sold.
Nintendo claims this, Nintendo claims that. Nintendo must be right, of course.
And hey, could you also point out where in that Nintendo PR where Nintendo claims the GC is outselling the XBox? I cannot believe that Nintendo does not have access to the same sales figures as MS does. If they have industry figures (they must, they're not incompetent), why aren't they crowing their victory? I know why, see if you can guess.
You want to see sales figures from MS. So do I. But I don't think we're going to have them until after Christmas. So, in the meantime, quit making the outrageous claim that, because MS has not announced their figures, that they must be losing. It has no more basis in fact or reality than my counter claim that Nintendo isn't shouting Victory because they know they aren't winning.
-rex
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: This community?
In reply to: Re: This community?"You want to see sales figures from MS. So do I. But I don't think we're going to have them until after Christmas. So, in the meantime, quit making the outrageous claim that, because MS has not announced their figures, that they must be losing. It has no more basis in fact or reality than my counter claim that Nintendo isn't shouting Victory because they know they aren't winning."
That would be valid if MS was crowing victory for every other PR number. 2.4 "game attach" rating? Halo = top selling game? A press release titled "XBox Takes the Lead!" with only a morsel of info from a yet unreleased NPD/TRST report? Both sides are claiming victory, but one side has a number that is conspicuously absent. You can forget all our previous arguments. All I wanted to know at the beginning of this thread was how many XBoxes MS currently claims to have sold and why they won't release this info.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: "If MS wasn't" [NT]
In reply to: Re: This community?Stinger
Hello? Is this thing on?
In reply to: Re: Production trouble: other systems. Why should the fucking sales matter?? I guess
: people ar ejust loyal to certain systems. Nintendo freaks,
: PS Heads, MS fanbois. WTF leave the sales out of it and look
: to see which system is better, if your gonna argue.
Sales matter to developers. Why do you think mac users are always getting the shaft when it comes to "variety" in gaming? It's because developers want to sell games, and the more machines available to play their game the more games they can sell. As much as devs spout off about their work being "art", it's the bottom line that matters most. If only 3 XBoxes sold it could still be the best hardware set out there, but damned if it'd be the *best* system. Right now the *best* system is the PS2 because it has the most titles available and the most consoles out there. Yeah some of Nintendo's or MS's titles might be newer, but this imaginary "long haul" depends solely on how many systems each company can get out to consumers, not on whose system rates highest on hardware performance charts.
--Stinger
Anonymous (not verified)
Mizzunderstood
In reply to: Hello? Is this thing on?You guys are completely misunderstanding this whole thread. My arguement if for you guys not confusing sales with power. You guys act like this, The more sales, the better the machine... You guys think that is Cube sold more so far, then it must be the better machine. WRONG. Treat the sales as sales, and the Power as power. Don't confuse the fucking sales with da fucking power of the machine. Keep in mind, that if MS had shipped it's 2nd shipment and 3rd and so on, it would have probably sold more. Can you tell me where to buy an Xbox right now? If units were availible, Xbox would have shreded the Cube.
Stinger
"da fucking power"
In reply to: MizzunderstoodLinkinPark11b12 wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 9:05 pm:
: You guys are completely misunderstanding this whole
: thread. My arguement if for you guys not confusing sales
: with power. You guys act like this, The more sales, the
: better the machine... You guys think that is Cube sold more
: so far, then it must be the better machine. WRONG. Treat the
: sales as sales, and the Power as power. Don't confuse the
: fucking sales with da fucking power of the machine. Keep in
: mind, that if MS had shipped it's 2nd shipment and 3rd and
: so on, it would have probably sold more. Can you tell me
: where to buy an Xbox right now? If units were availible,
: Xbox would have shreded the Cube.
:
The last reliable numbers showed that Nintendo had sold 500k GCs and MS had sold 250k XBoxes. That was back when 300k XBoxes were available. Kinda puts a crimp in your "availability" argument.
People don't care about hardware. They care about title selection and price. If we didn't we'd all own 3DO's failed system ("Jaguar" I think). Most of the time a system doesn't even fully tap its hardware capabilities. Hell, some of the N64 games still look as good as the next gen stuff. Go ahead and flap your jaw all you want about "power". Apple does too, and I agree with the both of you, but Intel is still kicking Apple's ass in sales. And *that* is what matters to a "business", Microsoft especially.
--Stinger
Anonymous (not verified)
No Point Whatsoever
In reply to: "da fucking power"But, do you agree that the Xbox is the better machine compared to PS2 and Cube? What's that you say? Oh yea, you never amswer any of my questions. And what Availibility arguement? Can you go to the local store and buy one? NO. They simply are to few to be called availible. And those FEW that are still arounf form the 1st shipment are probably not even on the shelves and are in Ebay and shit. So you make no sense and are avoiding the truth that you don't want to admit Mr. Stinger.
tobin
Re: No Point Whatsoever
In reply to: No Point WhatsoeverLinkinPark11b12 wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 7:51 pm:
: But, do you agree that the Xbox is the better machine
: compared to PS2 and Cube? What's that you say? Oh yea, you
: never amswer any of my questions. And what Availibility
: arguement? Can you go to the local store and buy one? NO.
: They simply are to few to be called availible. And those FEW
: that are still arounf form the 1st shipment are probably not
: even on the shelves and are in Ebay and shit. So you make no
: sense and are avoiding the truth that you don't want to
: admit Mr. Stinger.
Yes you can buy an XBox and have it on your doorstep the very next day if you choose. Amazon.com has XBoxes available, but no GameCubes.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005UJS3/qid=1008475383/br=1-1/...
EBGames and GameStop are the same. Yes on XBox...no GameCubes available.
The point is the best console has the most compelling games, and right now, that's the PS2. This is precisely why I started this thread, because I feel the need, the obligation to inform people like you that the Xbox does not have "it all." And plus, I consider the GameCube to be prety much on par with the XBox. The Gamecube has better interchip latency. It uses SRAM instead of SDRAM. It has twice the L2 cache. The GameCube has a faster system bus, and fewer multpliers...this all helps keep the GameCube much zippier when it comes to latency...Fewer clocks, faster RAM, etc. The Xbox has a nifty HDD and more RAM. It has built-in ethernet. These are nice, but they are tertiary in the core design of the system.
-Tobin
Stinger
Dear Mr. Linkin
In reply to: No Point WhatsoeverThe XBox is the best set of hardware available in a gaming console today. It is also selling half as fast as the GameCube. This thread was about sales. Please reread this several times until you've proven to yourself that the sky is blue.
--Stinger
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Dear Mr. Linkin
In reply to: Dear Mr. LinkinDoes anybody here get my fucking point? Apparently some of you don't. And, I didn't mean there was a shortage of xbox, which is what you made it sound like. I said that besides people that bought them to resell them, you can't go buy one at a store, they all sold out. I don't see Xbox's on the shelves, but I see plenty of Cubes on the shelves. Ya'll keep missing my point, and I aint gonna bother to explain anymore than I have to. Point is:
1. Xbox beats Cube and PS2 performance-wise
2. Xbox is the better machine, regardless of the sales.
3. Pissants like you 2 are the people who made the Dreamcast go under. Not that it was good or anything.
tobin
Re: Dear Mr. Linkin
In reply to: Re: Dear Mr. LinkinLinkinPark11b12 wrote on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 9:22 pm:
: Does anybody here get my fucking point? Apparently some of
: you don't. And, I didn't mean there was a shortage of xbox,
: which is what you made it sound like. I said that besides
: people that bought them to resell them, you can't go buy one
: at a store, they all sold out. I don't see Xbox's on the
: shelves, but I see plenty of Cubes on the shelves. Ya'll
: keep missing my point, and I aint gonna bother to explain
: anymore than I have to. Point is:
: 1. Xbox beats Cube and PS2 performance-wise
: 2. Xbox is the better machine, regardless of the sales.
: 3. Pissants like you 2 are the people who made the
: Dreamcast go under. Not that it was good or anything.
0) I don't seen any GameCubes or any XBoxes on the shelves. I do, however, see XBoxes available at Amazon and EBGames.
1) Prove the XBox beats the PS2 performancewise. Show me a game prettier than MGS2 (PS2) or RE:BioHazard (GC) or Rogue Squadron for that matter.
2) Sales are all important in the end. You don't know this, but developers do.
3) I did not make the Dreamcast go under. Sega did. Sega gave us the Dreamcast over a year later than our Japanese counterparts. Sega didn't market the console well at all. You blame me and Stinger, you have to blame all the other millions of people who did NOT buy the Dreamcast. Perhaps they know somethng you don't? Sales figures matter.
-Tobin
Anonymous (not verified)
In response to one thing...
In reply to: Re: Dear Mr. LinkinWell, you say to find a game prettier than MGS2, Rogue Squadron, or RE: Biohazard....well, I've played MGS2 and Rogue Squadron (good games, btw,) and in terms of visual impressiveness and graphical programming, Halo tops them both, IMHO. I've not played Biohazard, so I can't speak for that---and this was all on a 52" HDTV, which might also have affected the results....but to say that nothing matches or surpasses them is just naive.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: In response to one thing...
In reply to: In response to one thing...Id wrote on Sunday, 12/16/2001 - 1:10 am:
: Well, you say to find a game prettier than MGS2, Rogue
: Squadron, or RE: Biohazard....well, I've played MGS2 and
: Rogue Squadron (good games, btw,) and in terms of visual
: impressiveness and graphical programming, Halo tops them
: both, IMHO. I've not played Biohazard, so I can't speak for
: that---and this was all on a 52" HDTV, which might also have
: affected the results....but to say that nothing matches or
: surpasses them is just naive.
Are the characters as detailed as MGS2's? No. Are there 60 TIEs on screen at once in Halo? No. Are there any games out there that run at better than 480i on the XBox? Why does a 52 inch HDTV matter when 480 lines is standard on your average TV? I'm not sure who's the naive one here. I'll give you the standard response someone with more game design experience would give. Halo has larger environments to deal with and therefore fewer texture passes can be used when compared to games like Resident Evil and MGS2, yadda yadda yadda.
Claude Errera
At least get your facts straight...
In reply to: Re: In response to one thing...Tobin wrote on Sunday, 12/16/2001 - 3:12 am:
Are there any games
: out there that run at better than 480i on the XBox? Why
: does a 52 inch HDTV matter when 480 lines is standard on
: your average TV?
Halo runs at 480p on an HDTV. Yes, that's better than 480i. Some would say a LOT better. (Try it and see.)
No, I don't know if other games support 720i or 1080i (both Xbox-supported resolutions). I suppose I would be surprised if none did... but I don't have an HDTV, so I've never looked into it.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: At least get your facts straight...
In reply to: At least get your facts straight...Claude Errera wrote on Sunday, 12/16/2001 - 11:04 am:
: Halo runs at 480p on an HDTV. Yes, that's better than
: 480i. Some would say a LOT better. (Try it and see.)
:
: No, I don't know if other games support 720i or 1080i
: (both Xbox-supported resolutions). I suppose I would be
: surprised if none did... but I don't have an HDTV, so I've
: never looked into it.
My facts were in the form of a question. (?) And you do know that 480p vs 480i is a matter of framerate, not resolution? I even know a lot of people who turn on interlace on their computer monitors.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Dear Mr. Linkin
In reply to: Re: Dear Mr. LinkinOf My Fucking G**. Don't you fuckers know that I don't give a fuck about slaes on the Xbox. YOU KNOW IT WILL NOT GO UNDER. Microsoft is the richest most successful company in the world, they get like 90,000,000,000 A year for the company, at least. Gates alone has 78,000,000,000. And your gonna tell me that the Xbox is going to go under? And the whole buying an Xbox issue. I FUCKING SAID "NOT THE RESOLD PIECES OF SHIT FROM EBAY!!! You Pissants don't understand any of my fucking points. And, I don't need to exp-lain that the Xbox can outperform the PS2, it can. CHECK THE FUCKING FACTS dip shit.
Stinger
Heh
In reply to: Re: Dear Mr. LinkinMr. Linkin's two longest words are "fucking" and "pissant", and he had to look both of them up. :(
"Nintendo claims 1.1M shipped and 800K sold ". I assume you can read and are just too dense to figure this out on your own, so I'll spell it out for you. More people own Gamecubes and PS2s and GameBoys and Macs and PCs and Playboy magazines than own XBoxes. Maybe if Billy G starts selling porn with the XBox sales will go up... (there's a thought... the XXXBox ;-). This thread is about console sales (and now about porn too!), not about which console has the best hardware specs. Word to your mother (...tell her I love her!) Mr. Linkin.
--Stinger
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