captain commie wrote on Thursday, 02/20/2003 - 6:51 am:

: How on earth (pardon the pun) do you defeat the covenant.
: OK so you're the master chief, but all of earth colonies are
: gone. We're fucked! AM I missing the point, is the MC so
: hard he can do this alone? I hope there are some Sparta IIs
: around...

This is a very good point that most people miss. there is no way with the entire covenant fleet surround earth, and almost 100% of earths military gone, that the MC is going to kill every single Covie as they hit the ground. besides that, the surface of the earth will be nuked long before that, maybe even Glassed (see book). the covenant have no reason to land, so I see no reason why we should. the trailer hint shows the MC diving onto another alien ship if I'm seeing it right, not down onto earth. it makes sense that if there is to be any fighting on earth, it's because a few covies escaped when the MC manages to destroy or put into retreat all the covies ships. and that a large group of surviving covies roaming around earth is a bad idea, and not something anyone on earth is going to be prepared to take out.

: In seriousness I'd like to see a ocean level, where your
: on a aircraft carrier being boarded and you have to defend
: it from covenant boarding parties, a neat twist on the
: pillar of autumn, and protecting the runway so the aircraft
: can do their bit. That would really change the pace, having
: a madcap run on a jetski firing at covenant patrols. Maybe
: a mountain section sking down to save a city?

you didn't happen to like the movie XxX and think it was a high quality movie did you? I hope to God Bungie doesn't turn Halo into a "let's see how many explosions and stunts we can have in different parts of the world!!!"

: On another note whats the covenant homeworld going to be
: like? Is it all like the interior of the truth and
: reconcilliation, or are bungie going to surprise us?

Surprise, of course. why have your leaders home world look like a battle ship? that's like thinking the inside of the white house will look like the inside of a A/C carrier

Earendil

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captain commie wrote on Thursday, 02/20/2003 - 10:27 am:

: A water based vehicle could have advantages, if you twat a
: dropship everyone is fucked, but if as ship is sinking you
: can escape. If the cov. are beating us the ground then
: having survivors is surely a good thing.

survivors in the middle of the ocean means just about jack shit :)
and who says if a drop ship crashes everyone would die? assuming it doesn't explode (I'm thinking covies heavy guns could vaporize a small ship anyway...) than who says future air bags can't be of some use? :)
plus, NOT getting hit is better then surviving a hit, which is why I'd go with fast, move able, vs slow and safe on the water.
someone want to remind me how many marines drowned at Pearl Harbor?

: IF the US can get
: any runway why hasn't bin laden bit the dust?

because he aint as big as a runway? lol.

:I doubt that in
: the cold war they could have had any soviet air bases.

does "had" mean "hit" ? in that case that was the cold war, we didn't have tomahawk missiles, and GPS guided cruise missiles. I'm just saying that if we have that kind of tech at this time, surely the covies have something better.

: Who
: said they use propellors, id didn't.

neither did I.

: I was think of
: hovercraft. Hovercraft are faster and can go land -

well that isn't a ship now is it?

: the
: covie couldn't defend a beach assualt against a proper fleet

HAHA!!! I'm betting they could. the ONLY reason we win ground battles is because of the MC. their tech kicks our ass, hands down. that's why they're nuking earth and not us nuking them.

the reason the PoA could do what it did was because it was a new ship design,and it had cortana as the pilot. the chances of a human pilot in regular issue cruiser has a slim chance of even hitting the covies.

also, and maybe someone can back me up on this, but i think the PoA had a new type of weapon too....but the PoA was the only one of it's kind. it's first battle led it out to the Halo where it crashed, I doubt the human forces whipped up a few more PoA class ships in the amount of time it took the covies to get from Reach (that last planet) to Earth.

: - battle ships to bomb the crap out of them from affar,
: aircraft carriers to protect them and so on.

and the covie cruisers glassing the planet from above...

: In ther opening
: sequence, the poa, and old out of date ship, takes down 4
: covie ships.

see above.

: Extend that to advanced naval technology and it
: ain't so bad. Silent Submarines probably exist so why can't
: the pop up fire some shit and fuck off?

for every advance, there is an equal and opposite advance. first there was camo, than there was radar, now there is radar absorbing material, and soon enough there will be sensors that will pick up those planes. it's GOING to happen. it's the evolution of technology. I'm still going with the idea that submariens popping up and trying to fire is going to be similar to the "smack the weasel on the head with he giant mallet" game.

: Also your assuming that every time that a naval object
: encountered a cov. force the cov would be bigger and better.

which is true. all except for the MC and Cortana. and the PoA to an extent.

: Say a lone dropship is leaving a combat area but theres
: fleet of submarine with anti aircraft missiles? To quote
: your goodself
: "they'll never know (quite honestly) what hit them."

oh yeah sure, a lone dropship vs 4 submarines. no shit. but that's one drop ship, and there are a million more where that caem from, along with forces 10-1 probably at this point.

also, Submarines of today carry cruise missiles. if they do carry Ground to Air missiles they are heat sinking, and I don't see a giant blast of heat coming off those covies ships...

: The remaining human are probably fleeing, so some are
: going to go to a mountainaous area. Surely there are bases
: in whatever american mountain ranges there are, and if there
: are skiing down would make sense.

actually, it doesn't. you'd want to be as deep as possible, and in that case, your entrance is going to be as low as possible.

: I never said a dropship
: would deposit the marines, you assumed.

well what else is going to get you up there? you hike up to the top only to ski down? that makes no sense...
and seeing as you reason for skiing down on an enemy base was for the dropship to avoid radar, I think you let me to that assumption quite well.

:It makes for bases
: dug deep in the mountains, as it would provide 'some'
: defense from the covie.
: I also never said that because they'd be poor swimmers you
: do a superman and fly like a magical deathworm raining death
: and plasma grenades. merely an advantage.

actually, at least the grunts have their own bio suits. even if they can't swim (which we don't know they can't) they could walk along the bottom and be just dandy.

: The people in the row boat cant do shit because they dont
: have radar or any of that kind of stuff, in halo we do, so
: its a slightly different. Plus just because you have tech it
: don't mean that you win. The example i'd use is the scorpion
: vs wraith.
: The wraiths main and only weapon is its motar. its the
: most destructive thing in the game. so following your
: reasoning it should win, but the scorpion can win.Hmm?

all I can say is that I can take almost ANY weapon and beat ANY AI driven computer. now, if it were a scorpion vs a wraith, both being driven equally skilled human players, my bet would be on the wraith because it has a one hit kill and a reload rate almost twice ( maybe more) than that of the scorpion.

: In addition the snowmobile is noisier than a skier, so
: the covie would hear you coming, and a skier can traverse
: more difficult terrain.

BS :)
have you ever skied/snow boarded and snowmobile??

: In theory allowing the skiers to
: take a quicker/safer route. A silent squad of marines with
: sniper could assume a position near a cov. base much more
: stealthily and goon them. but a snowmobile would draw
: attention to itself.
: hmm. this is fun. hope you can read it im dyslexic.
: lookign forward to a response.

yes, there are advantages to skiing. but I don't think any of them are plausible in this game. I doubt ANY of the marines know how to ski. and I doubt you have either. though you could probably learn fairly quickly with the help of cortana. I still say having the MC start at a sprint (33mph?) up the side of the slope is going to be better than hiking to the top and skiing down, or else having someone drop him at the top and skiing down.

also I point out again that this whole line of thought, though fun, is probably pointless. the covies aren't going to go for much of a ground battle, they are going to glass the planet.

Earendil

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