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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

Earendil wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 11:08 am:
: but what is the point of an experiment if you aren't there
: for the resualts? are the forunners sitting in another
: galaxy looking at the milky way waiting for it to go out in
: a ball of flame and fire just to say "well, they did it
: again, come on guys, back to build more halos".

Who's to say the forerunners aren't somehow monitoring the entire situation via FTL communication?

Or perhaps the destruction of the Halo will alert them to the fact that one has been discovered and tampered with, and bring their attention to bear on the situation...
:
: once the Halos do there thing, supposedly the only thing
: left will be the fact that they did blow up. and after that,
: there will (hopefully) be no more flood so no more
: experiments.

But if there are multiple Halos, then there must be multiple Flood populations as well...



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

narcogen wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 9:37 am:

:
: Earendil wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 11:08 am:
: : but what is the point of an experiment if you aren't
: there
: : for the resualts? are the forunners sitting in another
: : galaxy looking at the milky way waiting for it to go out
: in
: : a ball of flame and fire just to say "well, they did
: it
: : again, come on guys, back to build more halos".
:
: Who's to say the forerunners aren't somehow monitoring the
: entire situation via FTL communication?
:
: Or perhaps the destruction of the Halo will alert them to
: the fact that one has been discovered and tampered with, and
: bring their attention to bear on the situation...
: :
: : once the Halos do there thing, supposedly the only
: thing
: : left will be the fact that they did blow up. and after
: that,
: : there will (hopefully) be no more flood so no more
: : experiments.
:
: But if there are multiple Halos, then there must be
: multiple Flood populations as well...
:
:


Narcogen

Firstly we wrongly assume that the Forerunners need to communicate via FTL comms in order to keep in touch with one another. Although this is the point where humanity is currently at, it would be much more efficient for them to use more advanced means.

Secondly, why would they monitor the situation at all? We have not seen evidence of their presence in quite some time so who is to say that they even care about the Halos any more. Possibly we are looking at things in the wrong order as well. The Halos were created to starve the Flood and thus prevent it, so possibly we are not the first to encounter/use one, or even this one before. They could have been used to perform their assigned task already and now we are just interfering with things.

As for there being other Floods on other Halos this may or may not be true. Also the Flood, if they were an experiment, may be modified in each of the different containments. There is no evidence to date that the Covenant themselves are not an advanced form of the Flood with the same purpose or goal. As you were really not on the Halo long enough to conduct or evaluate the reasearch conducted on it you really have no idea what the long-term effects of the Flood might have been. So it goes to show that without further evidence there is no way to properly evaluate the Flood as a whole.

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

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In reply to: A Few Things to Note...

I forgot to mention a brief note in my previous post so I figured that I would add it now. As I have not had a chance to play Halo extensively I have not seen this information first-hand so please correct any mistakes htat I might make.

Anyways, back on subject, the Flood would feed on sentient life. Thus the ill-fated end to Captain Keyes, etc. So was there any evidence that the Covenant fell to the same fate. Considering that the meaning of senteint is open to interpretation would the Forerunners even fall within this classification? I mean sentient could be interpreted as having free will and the Forerunners might be a singularty as opposed to a bunch of individuals. This would in turn remove them from the sentient classification as they lack an independant will of their own.

I know that I am off on a tangent, but if the Flood were created to destroy a portin of the universe then their source for food must also be the taget of that extermination. So that is my only goal with this query.

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

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In reply to: Quick Update...

: Anyways, back on subject, the Flood would feed on sentient
: life. Thus the ill-fated end to Captain Keyes, etc. So was
: there any evidence that the Covenant fell to the same fate.

Just look at the various Flood that attack you, or rather, what they look like and the weaponry they use. There's short ones with Covenant plasma pistols and needlers that are (were, should I say) Grunts. The former Marines use assault rifles and pistols, and the other Covenant use Plasma rifles or run up and attack you hand-to-hand.

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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

The Halo doesnt blow up, it fires a pulse of energy into space(radius of 25,000 lightyears, in every direction), the halos will still be intact, but anything bigger than a unicellular organism will die. Starting to envy those litte bacteria guys :)

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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

PanZer wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 11:35 pm:

: The Halo doesnt blow up, it fires a pulse of energy into
: space(radius of 25,000 lightyears, in every direction), the
: halos will still be intact, but anything bigger than a
: unicellular organism will die. Starting to envy those litte
: bacteria guys :)

Guess that explains why you always find Flood on Halos. They're the only places that don't get purged...

--SiliconDream

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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

SiliconDream =PN= wrote on Wednesday, 12/5/2001 - 12:22 am:

: PanZer wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 11:35 pm:
:
: : The Halo doesnt blow up, it fires a pulse of energy
: into
: : space(radius of 25,000 lightyears, in every direction),
: the
: : halos will still be intact, but anything bigger than a
: : unicellular organism will die. Starting to envy those
: litte
: : bacteria guys :)
:
: Guess that explains why you always find Flood on Halos.
: They're the only places that don't get purged...
:
: --SiliconDream
:

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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

SiliconDream =PN= wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 10:22 pm:

: PanZer wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 11:35 pm:
:
: : The Halo doesnt blow up, it fires a pulse of energy
: into
: : space(radius of 25,000 lightyears, in every direction),
: the
: : halos will still be intact, but anything bigger than a
: : unicellular organism will die. Starting to envy those
: litte
: : bacteria guys :)
:
: Guess that explains why you always find Flood on Halos.
: They're the only places that don't get purged...

but that implies that it has happened before. which means that the flood by far date the covenant and that the Forunners are either not in our galaxy, or are immune to the effects of the Halo (either because of what they are or shielding).

it has been kind of a givin that the flood date the covies and the Forunners are outside our Galaxy. but this idea proves it to some degree.

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

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In reply to: I Few Questions To Ponder

Earendil wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 2:12 am:

: On the second level there are two buildings that are
: firing bolts of...something, into space (more specifically
: the other side of Halo, but not sure about that). survivors
: can be found near them. what is the purpose of the buildings
: and that plasma?

You got me. I thought it was a beacon of some kind... but apparently someone heard from someone else :) that it's some sort of weapon. ::shrug::

: Why do alien swords disappear when the alien dies?

Because Bungie couldn't get 'em to work well enough to let you play with 'em. :)

: Why do the alien rocket launchers blow up when they die (

See above.

: I know the Flood change humans by mutating genes. but is
: the Flood a disease that spreads and causes life forms to
: change and go rampant, or an intelligent race with a
: purpose?

Hmm... did you get this (mutating genes) from something Sparky said? Because it seems like the result of infection is quite a bit more drastic than we would normally see from mutated genes... (remember, the time between infection of Keyes' team and your finding the first human flood victim is on the order of minutes, not even hours.)

: sparks refers to the Halo not only as a prison, but also
: as a lab. were the Forunners experimenting with the flood?
: and if so, where they the ones that inadvertently created
: the flood?
:
: it makes sense that they were experimenting with them,
: after all they were able to imprison them, they could have
: killed them, and since they kept them, I can think of no
: other reason then experimentation.
:
: bring up another point. WHY experiment on them? only
: conclusion I can make, is that maybe in another part of the
: universe the flood run free, and the Forunners were trying
: to find a way of stopping them.
:

Not to be too anthropomorphic about it, but generally we capture and play with nasty stuff like this when we're looking for the next best weapon.

(Not that we've ever experienced anything as nasty as the Flood... but in general, we see stuff like this as weapon material. It's not unprecedented in Bungie-influencing Sci-fi, either - look at Aliens (or was it Alien III?).

: sparks seems fascinated by the structures of Halo. is this
: because some other race besides the Forunners have been to
: Halo? or that sparks has never been awakened and let loose
: until this emergency of the flood getting out came about?

I think this is more likely.

(Also, I'm not sure 'fascinated' is the right word - he seems like he has a lot to do.)

Oops - gotta go; I'll try my hand at the rest of these later. :)

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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

: You got me. I thought it was a beacon of some kind... but
: apparently someone heard from someone else :) that it's some
: sort of weapon. ::shrug::

well it looks like one, but it doesn't act like one. it fires in a timly fashion and doesn't change in the point that it fires too.
:
: : Why do alien swords disappear when the alien dies?
:
: Because Bungie couldn't get 'em to work well enough to let
: you play with 'em. :)

heh, yeah ;-)

:
:
: : I know the Flood change humans by mutating genes. but
: is
: : the Flood a disease that spreads and causes life forms
: to
: : change and go rampant, or an intelligent race with a
: : purpose?
:
: Hmm... did you get this (mutating genes) from something
: Sparky said? Because it seems like the result of infection
: is quite a bit more drastic than we would normally see from
: mutated genes... (remember, the time between infection of
: Keyes' team and your finding the first human flood victim is
: on the order of minutes, not even hours.)

well sparks says it mutates the genes. but I'm wondering if the creatues that attack you are these geneticly changed humans, or if these are the flood, and they eat humans (like was also stated by sparks).

: :
:
: Not to be too anthropomorphic about it, but generally we
: capture and play with nasty stuff like this when we're
: looking for the next best weapon.
:
: (Not that we've ever experienced anything as nasty as the
: Flood... but in general, we see stuff like this as weapon
: material. It's not unprecedented in Bungie-influencing
: Sci-fi, either - look at Aliens (or was it Alien III?).

what enemy could the forunners have, that are a threat to them, yet the flood could effect? but that is a good point, I hadn't thought of that.

:
: : sparks seems fascinated by the structures of Halo. is
: this
: : because some other race besides the Forunners have been
: to
: : Halo? or that sparks has never been awakened and let
: loose
: : until this emergency of the flood getting out came
: about?
:
: I think this is more likely.

same here, but you'd think sparks would have been givin knowledge of the forunners building structers and what was goign on, so he could better find his way around and of stopping the flood.
:
: (Also, I'm not sure 'fascinated' is the right word - he
: seems like he has a lot to do.)
:
: Oops - gotta go; I'll try my hand at the rest of these
: later. :)

I'll be waiting :-)

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

Harry's picture

In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

: well sparks says it mutates the genes. but I'm wondering
: if the creatues that attack you are these geneticly changed
: humans, or if these are the flood, and they eat humans (like
: was also stated by sparks).

To me, the larger ones look like Covenant while the smaller Zombie-like ones are human. I guess Grunts and Jackals are too small to sustain infection.

-Harry

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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

Harry wrote on Thursday, 12/6/2001 - 3:10 pm:

: To me, the larger ones look like Covenant while the
: smaller Zombie-like ones are human. I guess Grunts and
: Jackals are too small to sustain infection.

The larger ones are consumed Covenant while the smaller ones are consumed Marines. The consumed Grunts are the explosives I believe. Why there are no Jackals and Hunters consumed by the Flood? Maybe because of their shield...

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In reply to: I Few Questions To Ponder

Earendil wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 2:12 am:

: is sparks an AI? or an auto mated program? my bet is on an
: AI, but if it’s an AI, then why can’t it jump from system to
: system? why does it need to be contained within that little
: sphere and go from panel to panel and zap them to change
: things? only thing I can think of, is that they wanted to
: protect sparks from OTHER AIs. I have a feeling Cortana
: could take out that little prick if she had the chance, but
: they never seem to come in contact while inside the
: system.

Not sure what makes you think AIs can jump from system to system - yah, Marathon ones do, but it's not a common theme in science fiction. And Cortana and GS are together when you're deciding what to do with the index...

: if sparks is an AI, why isn’t it superior to Cortana?
: after all he was created by the Forunners to watch over the
: flood right?

1) Who says he's not?
2) Why does something created by a superior race necessarily need to be superior to everything created by an inferior one (technologically speaking)? Galileo's telescope is more technologically advanced than a modern-day kaleidoscope... but aren't we (as a society) more advanced than 16th century Italy (as a society)?

: Sparks ask the Spartan to take the( ...damn I forget the
: name, whatever that big glowing green stick was), because he
: wasn’t worthy (or something like that). why the hell isn’t
: he? was there supposed to be some other life on Halo when
: the flood got out? that seems like a stupid thing as that is
: what the flood see as food.

The index.

And this is one of my biggest problems with the story - I complained about it in HBO's Halo Review (the spoiler version).

: which brings up ANOTHER thing. they said the flood EATS
: life. now...does that mean it is a disease that takes over a
: body, and in the process of “eating” it it mutates the life
: form until it dies?

Who's 'they'? As far as I know, the Flood is an infection - it infects organic life, and thereby takes it over (creating new hosts to create new 'spores').

: What’s the point of the Halos destroying all life in the
: galaxy? did the Forunners see the blood as evil? that they
: would rather destroy all life with the flood then let the
: flood live? and at best give any other life a fighting
: chance? (after all, in space the person with the better
: tech/brains wins, not the one that can jump farthest and
: beat you with a tentacle). besides that, wouldn’t the flood
: eat all life and then die for lack of food? or maybe that
: doesn’t apply to the flood (they were able to stay locked up
: for some time without dying).

This is another unanswered question - if starving the flood is a viable control technique, how come they're not all dead after a couple of hundred thousand years of isolation on Halo?

: we know that it is “the will of the gods” that we be
: destroyed by the covenant. we also learn that the covies see
: the Forunners as “gods”. so is it the Forunners will that we
: die? and in that case, could it be that they are mistaking
: us for the flood? (I had this idea written down before I
: read about it on other forums :)

I think this is unanswerable until you know more about the Covenant, and their motivations.

: the covies learned of the Halos from some one/thing. they
: had never been to one (or so I figure, as the flood aren’t
: running around until now). they were searching for one (read
: the Halo book, it explains this, to some degree, though it’s
: never figured out by anyone except Cortana, who’s blind jump
: wasn’t really a blind jump). WHO did the covies learn of the
: halo from?

Good question. :)

: if the covies don’t take prisoners, and plan to destroy us
: without negotiating, then why and how did the grunts learn
: English?

They didn't - our suit translates.

(Someone had asked some time ago why it doesn't translate OTHER Covenant race languages - and Eric Trautmann suggested something to the effect that maybe it's just not good enough - it could handle the simple Grunt language, but not the more complicated Elite/Jackal/Hunter languages. (Not that I've ever heard the Hunters try to say anything...) )

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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder (part 2)

This is just something that I know no one can answer but, what do you think sparky is doing or is going with all the info from the pillar of Auteum? as you can after the credits it shows Sparky flying off in space, do you think he is going back to inform the forunners?

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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder (part 2)

Claude Errera wrote on Thursday, 12/6/2001 - 7:44 am:

: This is another unanswered question - if starving the
: flood is a viable control technique, how come they're not
: all dead after a couple of hundred thousand years of
: isolation on Halo?

An example of something in nature that can possibly explain this situation would be the common tick. They can remain dormant for many years without every getting any nourishment of any kind. When they sense a heat source below them they drop from the edge of a grass blade or leaf and if they land on the heat source they then burrow down for blood, if not they climb back up to a high position and go back to being dormant.

So simply starving them may be a way to reduce their numbers or keep them in check, but it would not necessarily kill them. Possibly only the smaller Flood can survive this way, so as soon as they were released and infected a few Human/Covenant the larger variations were formed.

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

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In reply to: I Few Questions To Ponder

Earendil wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 2:12 am:

: On the second level there are two buildings that are
: firing bolts of...something, into space (more specifically
: the other side of Halo, but not sure about that). survivors
: can be found near them. what is the purpose of the buildings
: and that plasma?

I at first thought it was some sort of signal beacon.. it doesn't really seem "functional" enough to be a weapon.

: Why do alien swords disappear when the alien dies?
:
: Why do the alien rocket launchers blow up when they die (
: http://www.bungie.net/images/site/halo/screenshots/scrn_034.jpg
: )

Claude answered those the best way. :)

: I know the Flood change humans by mutating genes. but is
: the Flood a disease that spreads and causes life forms to
: change and go rampant, or an intelligent race with a
: purpose?

It infects anything that lives. It feeds on living beings in its reach.

: sparks refers to the Halo not only as a prison, but also
: as a lab. were the Forunners experimenting with the flood?
: and if so, where they the ones that inadvertently created
: the flood?
:
Yes they kept the flood for studying, Guilty Spark says so.

: it makes sense that they were experimenting with them,
: after all they were able to imprison them, they could have
: killed them, and since they kept them, I can think of no
: other reason then experimentation.

This raises the question of where The Forerunner are.

: bring up another point. WHY experiment on them? only
: conclusion I can make, is that maybe in another part of the
: universe the flood run free, and the Forunners were trying
: to find a way of stopping them.

Curiousity. To find out how they do the whole infection thing and yes, perhaps to find another way to battle them.

: sparks seems fascinated by the structures of Halo. is this
: because some other race besides the Forunners have been to
: Halo? or that sparks has never been awakened and let loose
: until this emergency of the flood getting out came about?

I think he was fascinated by The Pillar of Autumn and the wealth of knowledge stored within Cortana, but I don't remember him being fascinated by anything on Halo...

: is sparks an AI? or an auto mated program? my bet is on an
: AI, but if it’s an AI, then why can’t it jump from system to
: system? why does it need to be contained within that little
: sphere and go from panel to panel and zap them to change
: things? only thing I can think of, is that they wanted to
: protect sparks from OTHER AIs. I have a feeling Cortana
: could take out that little prick if she had the chance, but
: they never seem to come in contact while inside the
: system.

I feel he's an automated system whose task is to activate Halo in case of a flood release. He also appears to have other capabilities such as operate machinery.

: if sparks is an AI, why isn’t it superior to Cortana?
: after all he was created by the Forunners to watch over the
: flood right?

He isn't superior. He's very one-sided in his functions.

: Sparks ask the Spartan to take the( ...damn I forget the
: name, whatever that big glowing green stick was), because he
: wasn’t worthy (or something like that). why the hell isn’t
: he? was there supposed to be some other life on Halo when
: the flood got out? that seems like a stupid thing as that is
: what the flood see as food.

Guilty Spark takes the Index off Master Chief because he is at risk of being infected and losing the Index.

: which brings up ANOTHER thing. they said the flood EATS
: life. now...does that mean it is a disease that takes over a
: body, and in the process of “eating” it it mutates the life
: form until it dies?

I assume it devours organs and the like and leaves spores.

: What’s the point of the Halos destroying all life in the
: galaxy? did the Forunners see the blood as evil? that they
: would rather destroy all life with the flood then let the
: flood live? and at best give any other life a fighting
: chance? (after all, in space the person with the better
: tech/brains wins, not the one that can jump farthest and
: beat you with a tentacle). besides that, wouldn’t the flood
: eat all life and then die for lack of food? or maybe that
: doesn’t apply to the flood (they were able to stay locked up
: for some time without dying).

The flood, if you haven't noticed, is a parasite that kills ANYTHING alive. But there is this "flaw" in creating a being that depends on other life to reproduce; what if they exhaust their food? Well, that will never happen seeing how there's a hero to stop them. :)

: we know that it is “the will of the gods” that we be
: destroyed by the covenant. we also learn that the covies see
: the Forunners as “gods”. so is it the Forunners will that we
: die? and in that case, could it be that they are mistaking
: us for the flood? (I had this idea written down before I
: read about it on other forums :)

I don't think the Covenant and The Forerunner have any connection. The Covenant realise Halo has some religious meaning in a perverted Alien sense, but have no idea (at first) what Halo really is. They assume correctly that it is a weapon, however. The whole "will of the gods" deal was brought up once in that one trailer when that red Covenant Elite was talking, but it never comes up again... although I seem to remember it in The Fall Of Reach.

: the covies learned of the Halos from some one/thing. they
: had never been to one (or so I figure, as the flood aren’t
: running around until now). they were searching for one (read
: the Halo book, it explains this, to some degree, though it’s
: never figured out by anyone except Cortana, who’s blind jump
: wasn’t really a blind jump). WHO did the covies learn of the
: halo from?

They were? I just think both the human and Covenant find Halo for the first time and make their inquiries about what it is.

: if the covies don’t take prisoners, and plan to destroy us
: without negotiating, then why and how did the grunts learn
: English?

Built-in translators in helmets. :)

-Harry

Harry's picture

In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

As for the question of how the flood could survive all this time:

Since The Forerunner was keeping them for studies, I'm sure they froze them or put them in some life-supporting containment.

-Harry

narcogen's picture

In reply to: Oh and...

... what was meant by "soon, you will be food."


Rampant for over se7en years.



Anonymous's picture

In reply to: I Few Questions To Ponder

I've never played Halo (not out here yet, damn you all) but I was wondering if at any point you find Covvies who have been Flooded. What happens to the Covvies when the Flood are released - do they turn and run? Keep trying to kill the Master Chief? Or join you in killing the Flood?

If the Covvies don't get Flooded, then maybe there is some relationship between them...

mad.max =PN=

Earendil's picture

In reply to: A question regarding the Flood and the Covvies

mad.max =PN= wrote on Friday, 12/7/2001 - 3:36 am:

: I've never played Halo (not out here yet, damn you all)
: but I was wondering if at any point you find Covvies who
: have been Flooded. What happens to the Covvies when the
: Flood are released - do they turn and run? Keep trying to
: kill the Master Chief? Or join you in killing the Flood?

it's a three sided battle when the flood get released...soon tobe four(but I'm not going to spil anythign you don't want to know, even though you don't seem to mind).

But the flood *DO* get covies, I saw a dead flood and looked him over, and his feet were all weird, but they were covie elite feet! they had the hoof thing going on. they had no armor on so they looked a bit different....but they were covenant.

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: FLOOD DO MUTATE COVIES!!!

: it's a three sided battle when the flood get
: released...soon tobe four(but I'm not going to spil anythign
: you don't want to know, even though you don't seem to mind).

I don't really care, I'm not getting Halo until it's out on the Mac, and I'll have read everything on it by then. Who are the fourth side?

Do the Flood and the Covvies happily attack each other, and can you just walk past firefights between them, or do they form a sudden pact and both jump on you? I'm surprised the Covvies don't make a pact with you - they've witnessed you whooping their asses, and are suddenly being whumped by the Flood too, surely they should use their damn intelligence and help you!

: But the flood *DO* get covies, I saw a dead flood and
: looked him over, and his feet were all weird, but they were
: covie elite feet! they had the hoof thing going on. they had
: no armor on so they looked a bit different....but they were
: covenant.

Right, there goes my theory :)

I'll prolly get the book some time, and btw, I've not been anyway, I'm always around :) (check out hl.subnova.com - often there)

mad.max =PN=

Harry's picture

In reply to: Who are the fourth, and Covvie stupidity

mad.max =PN= wrote on Saturday, 12/8/2001 - 8:44 am:

: Do the Flood and the Covvies happily attack each other,
: and can you just walk past firefights between them, or do
: they form a sudden pact and both jump on you? I'm surprised
: the Covvies don't make a pact with you - they've witnessed
: you whooping their asses, and are suddenly being whumped by
: the Flood too, surely they should use their damn
: intelligence and help you!

Flood and Covenant fight each other. They see you, they attack you. You're on your own against both of 'em. :(

-Harry

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In reply to: Who are the fourth, and Covvie stupidity

: I don't really care, I'm not getting Halo until it's out
: on the Mac, and I'll have read everything on it by then. Who
: are the fourth side?

sparky the silly AI sphere guy that pisses me off, and his band of laser shooting hovering bots. on your side, but turn on you when you won't help him detroy 25,000^2 light years
:
: Do the Flood and the Covvies happily attack each other,
: and can you just walk past firefights between them, or do
: they form a sudden pact and both jump on you? I'm surprised
: the Covvies don't make a pact with you - they've witnessed
: you whooping their asses, and are suddenly being whumped by
: the Flood too, surely they should use their damn
: intelligence and help you!
:
both sides seem to see no difference, they attack the nearest threat. I once saw 2 hunters being attacked by waves of flood. between a wave one of the hunters had the nerve to fire one of his green balls death at me, when I was well over 100m off and on a cliff!

but I have charged through both sides fighting. with an AR and the triger down I made it through with out losing all my shield (there were a few blue pixels left). and after I was gone they kept fighting, they didn't chase me.

: Right, there goes my theory :)

anything to help :-)
:
: I'll prolly get the book some time, and btw, I've not been
: anyway, I'm always around :) (check out hl.subnova.com -
: often there)

oh right, it's me that's never around....

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Re: Who are the fourth, and Covvie stupidity

Here are all the "races" in the end of the game:

Sentinels (Defense system for Halo?? Look like metal birds, activated and controlled by the Monitor)

Flood

Covenant

...YOU!

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In reply to: A question regarding the Flood and the Covvies

read the Halo book? a good read, and lots of info.

and max, good to see you again :)

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

Harry's picture

In reply to: A question regarding the Flood and the Covvies

mad.max =PN= wrote on Friday, 12/7/2001 - 6:36 am:

: I've never played Halo (not out here yet, damn you all)
: but I was wondering if at any point you find Covvies who
: have been Flooded. What happens to the Covvies when the
: Flood are released - do they turn and run? Keep trying to
: kill the Master Chief? Or join you in killing the Flood?
:
: If the Covvies don't get Flooded, then maybe there is some
: relationship between them...

The flood infects anything alive, regardless of their race. What saddens me is that after the swamp, all you fight are Covenant and flood. No more surviving humans to help you out. :( It depresses me. :(

-Harry

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In reply to: Re: A question regarding the Flood and the Covvies

Hold on just a moment...if Cortana got into the Halo computer system and got that big wealth of data, including what Halo was built for, then can't she answer most of our questions? What was the Flood's purpose, who/what/where are the Forunners, how "advanced" is the Monitor, what Flood beings do for recreation, etc. :D

Why didn't she tell us? Did the Monitor use some sort of software backdoor and find a way out by piggy-backing in her program and hijacking her without our knowledge, or just secretly found a nice quiet place in her "programming matrix" or whatever and just hide there, waiting for a good time to reappear?

Oh by the way, I_Am_Darth_Maul, I'm new here, I played Halo at a friend's house (but I have an Xbox and shall buy it as soon as the Microsoft store gets it in stock). Hello everyone. Aint I crazy?

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In reply to: Wait a second...

i dont think there was ENOUGH time for cortana to explain EVERYTHING about: HALO, the flood, the fore runner, and so on

Earendil's picture

1. Cortana knows everything that was inside the Halo networks. or at least everything inside that network on that section of the Halo. this information can be used.

2. sparks knows all of earths history because he got into the PoAs data base, including, I'm sure, earths location. purge or not, sparks implies while reading are history that he now knows what he had missed while he was asleep. meaning he very well knows all the history before earth and might even have known OF earth before we advanced into space.

3. No mater what we do next, atm humans are still losing bad to the covenant.

4. we had a mission to take over a covie ship, find the covie home world, and catch a leader as a hostage. this mission very well could be void at this point. but still could be the plot for the next game.

5. according to Cortana no one made it off Halo, that means it's possible the covies have no clue what happened. either way it could be interesting to see what they do. things broke down on the halo, the covies were running, and probably had very little clue what happened, they might not know we let the flood out, after all, they weren't there. when some covie brains get put into the situation, they might act differently. maybe not. if they were to act friendly, you can bet Bungie will through a bigger and more dangerous enemy at us :-)

That's all the major things I can think of atm. many smaller things, and many questions unanswered, but nothing a story could be based on to my recollection.

feel free to add some and/or discuss.

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

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In reply to: Important Facts To The Story Of Halo 2

Earendil wrote on Wednesday, 12/5/2001 - 10:00 pm:

: 4. we had a mission to take over a covie ship, find the
: covie home world, and catch a leader as a hostage. this
: mission very well could be void at this point. but still
: could be the plot for the next game.

That would make a cool game...

: 5. according to Cortana no one made it off Halo, that
: means it's possible the covies have no clue what happened.
: either way it could be interesting to see what they do.
: things broke down on the halo, the covies were running, and
: probably had very little clue what happened, they might not
: know we let the flood out, after all, they weren't there.
: when some covie brains get put into the situation, they
: might act differently. maybe not. if they were to act
: friendly, you can bet Bungie will through a bigger and more
: dangerous enemy at us :-)

They always do :-D

They could also do the 'we tryed to kill the alien race but one(or more) escaped and now their back' cliche, but i hope they dont, and keep with the unique bungie style

=NeoBob=
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In reply to: Important Facts To The Story Of Halo 2

Earendil wrote on Thursday, 12/6/2001 - 1:00 am:

: 1. Cortana knows everything that was inside the Halo
: networks. or at least everything inside that network on that
: section of the Halo. this information can be used.
:
: 2. sparks knows all of earths history because he got into
: the PoAs data base, including, I'm sure, earths location.
: purge or not, sparks implies while reading are history that
: he now knows what he had missed while he was asleep. meaning
: he very well knows all the history before earth and might
: even have known OF earth before we advanced into space.
:
: 3. No mater what we do next, atm humans are still losing
: bad to the covenant.
:
: 4. we had a mission to take over a covie ship, find the
: covie home world, and catch a leader as a hostage. this
: mission very well could be void at this point. but still
: could be the plot for the next game.
:
: 5. according to Cortana no one made it off Halo, that
: means it's possible the covies have no clue what happened.
: either way it could be interesting to see what they do.
: things broke down on the halo, the covies were running, and
: probably had very little clue what happened, they might not
: know we let the flood out, after all, they weren't there.
: when some covie brains get put into the situation, they
: might act differently. maybe not. if they were to act
: friendly, you can bet Bungie will through a bigger and more
: dangerous enemy at us :-)
:
: That's all the major things I can think of atm. many
: smaller things, and many questions unanswered, but nothing a
: story could be based on to my recollection.
:
: feel free to add some and/or discuss.
:
: Earendil

I'll tell you what- there are thousands of ways Bungie can make a sequel...

1- If you have read the book you know that the Pillar of Autumn had to leave the human planet Reach quickly because of a Covenant surprise attack... they didn't have time to pick up the other Spartan II's (Master Chief's team) before jetting to Halo. If by some miracle, the other Spartans made it out of Reach alive, then the sequel could have some pretty sweet possibilities (i.e. fighting alongside the other Spartan II's). I can think of many possible ways the Spartans could have escaped, but the most likely is that with seconds before the Covenant scorch the planet they commandeer a Covenant ship and high tail it away from Reach.

2- Also, if you have read the book, you know that Master Chief (along with the rest of the Spartan II's) was on his way to perform an important mission- commandeer a Covenant ship and use it to find a Covenant homeworld. From there, they were supposed to kidnap the Covenant leaders (called Prophets) and use them to force a peace treaty. Now, I don't know what you might think, but this sounds like one SWEET game, compadre (minus the peace treaty part, lol)

3- 343 Guilty Spark (the Monitor) alludes to the fact that there are other Halos, and he talks about another race, the Fore Runners (I think). Not only have we not met the Fore Runners, who have superior technology to both the Covenant and Humans, but if there are other Halos out there, the human race is still pretty screwed, know what I'm saying?

4- Last but not least, I believe I have read some people's tags talking about how it would be cheesy to fight the Covenant now that they are wiped out. THE COVENANT ARE NOT WIPED OUT YOU FOOLS- sure you took out an armada, whooppee, but humans still don't know where the Covenant home world is, and at the very least, there were still tons of Covenant attacking Reach when the Pillar of Autumn left the battle.

Halo might have been the best game ever- its story is unbelievable! I personally can't wait to see what Bungie has up their sleeves for the sequel.

-Orange044

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In reply to: Re: Important Facts To The Story Of Halo 2

i have to say i agree with u on everything and if u have read my other post on what i think halo 2s story is go to halo.bungi.org and there is reach being glassed and a longswordfighter being damaged in orbit. this may be the MC as the guy before me said going to pick up his buddys

Anonymous's picture

Well there has been a lot of debate as to who was the one to grab the index and activate A Halo for the first time. Most believe it was Master Chief, but after reading FoR, I don't think he was the one to do it. Guilty Sparks says it was you however, so it must be someone who looks like you and/or who is a complete annihilator. :) All you have on is Mjolnir armor, the full completed stage. Well who else had Mjolnir armor? :) I believe it was the Marathon marine sometime before the 26th Century of course. When Marathon launched in the year 2472, was the marine already in the cyro tube aboard the Marathon? If so, he must of done this before that time. Also by activating Halo, all sentient life must have been wiped out, at least of a 25,000 light year radius. Anyway, I think this is the true Marathon link. What do others think?

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In reply to: Mark IV Recon 54 Marine Possibly Activated…

If you ever went to http://marathon.bungie.org/story/ where you can find the All Marathon terminal transcript's you'll find that there are supposedly 10 Mark IV Marines in Recon 54 and that later on Leela talks about one of them going missing. Could this missing Mark IV marine be the one that Sparky saw. Did Durandal lead him as he did our friend the security guard. What happened to him.

Pfhor wrote on Thursday, 12/6/2001 - 5:53 pm:

: Well there has been a lot of debate as to who was the one
: to grab the index and activate A Halo for the first time.
: Most believe it was Master Chief, but after reading FoR, I
: don't think he was the one to do it. Guilty Sparks says it
: was you however, so it must be someone who looks like you
: and/or who is a complete annihilator. :) All you have on is
: Mjolnir armor, the full completed stage. Well who else had
: Mjolnir armor? :) I believe it was the Marathon marine
: sometime before the 26th Century of course. When Marathon
: launched in the year 2472, was the marine already in the
: cyro tube aboard the Marathon? If so, he must of done this
: before that time. Also by activating Halo, all sentient life
: must have been wiped out, at least of a 25,000 light year
: radius. Anyway, I think this is the true Marathon link. What
: do others think?

Firf's picture

Well, I must be missing something. Near the end of the game (I think), it puts you on a timer, you must get in the 4 wheeler and eventually make a major jump (after the dropshop ends up not being able to pick you up). No matter how far I back up and no matter how fast I am going, I cannot seem to make the jump!

Am I missing anything? I have tried at least 20 times already and it is starting to make the game 'no fun' because I just can't seem to get past this jump. When I miss the jump, it looks like there is another ramp below, but I always seem to die, whether I stay in the 4 wheeler or not...

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!

Firf's picture

Well, I must be missing something. Near the end of the game (I think), it puts you on a timer, you must get in the 4 wheeler and eventually make a major jump (after the dropshop ends up not being able to pick you up). No matter how far I back up and no matter how fast I am going, I cannot seem to make the jump!

Am I missing anything? I have tried at least 20 times already and it is starting to make the game 'no fun' because I just can't seem to get past this jump. When I miss the jump, it looks like there is another ramp below, but I always seem to die, whether I stay in the 4 wheeler or not...

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!

Harry's picture

In reply to: Help with Jump on last level of halo (I think...)...

Don't aim for the top with those barrels, you need to go down. Make sure it's a controlled fall. If you do it just right you can land without any flipping or falling out!

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Help with Jump on last level of halo (I think...)...

Firf wrote on Saturday, 12/8/2001 - 4:13 pm:

: Well, I must be missing something. Near the end of the
: game (I think), it puts you on a timer, you must get in the
: 4 wheeler and eventually make a major jump (after the
: dropshop ends up not being able to pick you up). No matter
: how far I back up and no matter how fast I am going, I
: cannot seem to make the jump!
:
: Am I missing anything? I have tried at least 20 times
: already and it is starting to make the game 'no fun' because
: I just can't seem to get past this jump. When I miss the
: jump, it looks like there is another ramp below, but I
: always seem to die, whether I stay in the 4 wheeler or
: not...
:
: Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!

Odd, everytime I've played that part, including doing it on foot for that jump, I've come out fine. No flip, nothing. Jeep always landed just before or on top of the step into the lower ramp. Granted, we never stopped for the dropship (not enough time left), except for the first time we went through the level... I don't know what's so special about my runs through it. *shrug*

--nfin

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In reply to: Re: Help with Jump on last level of halo (I think...)...

nfin8zero wrote on Saturday, 12/8/2001 - 9:03 pm:

: Firf wrote on Saturday, 12/8/2001 - 4:13 pm:
:
: : Well, I must be missing something. Near the end of the
: : game (I think), it puts you on a timer, you must get in
: the
: : 4 wheeler and eventually make a major jump (after the
: : dropshop ends up not being able to pick you up). No
: matter
: : how far I back up and no matter how fast I am going, I
: : cannot seem to make the jump!
: :
: : Am I missing anything? I have tried at least 20 times
: : already and it is starting to make the game 'no fun'
: because
: : I just can't seem to get past this jump. When I miss
: the
: : jump, it looks like there is another ramp below, but I
: : always seem to die, whether I stay in the 4 wheeler or
: : not...
: :
: : Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!
:
: Odd, everytime I've played that part, including doing it
: on foot for that jump, I've come out fine. No flip, nothing.
: Jeep always landed just before or on top of the step into
: the lower ramp. Granted, we never stopped for the dropship
: (not enough time left), except for the first time we went
: through the level... I don't know what's so special about my
: runs through it. *shrug*
:
: --nfin

NEVER STOP DRIVING WHEN THE DROPSHIP IS COMING AND DON'T CRASH if ya crash 4 times u a goner!

-Deepthroat
;)

Ryan's picture

In reply to: Re: Help with Jump on last level of halo (I think...)...

Amazingly, on my first ever go on that level (which was on heroic difficulty!) I didn't die once oing that final drive in the Warthog! I've died many times doing it since, though! Sometimes, it just seems when the Warthog hits the ground after a big fall you die.

Anonymous's picture

Something that seems to have been forgotten in all the descusion I see below, is that the covies let loose the flood.

a team of elites got the the flood before keys and his men did. sure they sealed the door, but we watch many a time as the flood bust down doors.

it could be argued that the covies never got word back to thier commanders. but still, covenant disappeared into that structure and never came out, BEFORE we went in. maybe covenant are ignorent ;-)

Earendil

Harry's picture

In reply to: Let's not forget, the covie let loose the flood

Earendil wrote on Saturday, 12/8/2001 - 8:49 pm:

: Something that seems to have been forgotten in all the
: descusion I see below, is that the covies let loose the
: flood.
:
: a team of elites got the the flood before keys and his men
: did. sure they sealed the door, but we watch many a time as
: the flood bust down doors.
:
: it could be argued that the covies never got word back to
: thier commanders. but still, covenant disappeared into that
: structure and never came out, BEFORE we went in. maybe
: covenant are ignorent ;-)

They sealed the doors in an attempt to contain the flood, but the carnage everywhere that slowly unfolds before that locked room is evidence of the flood getting out even IF that door was locked.

Heck, there's flood around shortly before you get close to the enterance of that underground structure. Notice your motion tracker shows yellow blips, you see human weapon fire and Covenant running in fear.

-Harry

Ryan's picture

In reply to: Re: Let's not forget, the covie let loose the flood

Also, you know the paranoid marine who shoots at you? Just before you meet him there's a 'pop' sound, like one of the little spider flood bursting. They must have gotten out before or he wouldn't have been so scared.

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In reply to: Re: Let's not forget, the covie let loose the flood

Dallon wrote on Saturday, 08/24/2002 - 9:30 am:

: Also, you know the paranoid marine who shoots at you? Just
: before you meet him there's a 'pop' sound, like one of the
: little spider flood bursting. They must have gotten out
: before or he wouldn't have been so scared.

href="http://rampancy.synfibers.com/node.php?id=2449&cid=2469" target="_top">maybe they didn't... :)

After all, even 343GS wasn't sure, and watching the place is supposed to be his job. The Flood may have been out far earlier than previously thought...



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



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In reply to: Re: Let's not forget, the covie let loose the flood

Harry wrote on Sunday, 12/9/2001 - 12:49 am:

: Earendil wrote on Saturday, 12/8/2001 - 8:49 pm:
:
: : Something that seems to have been forgotten in all the
: : descusion I see below, is that the covies let loose
: the
: : flood.
: :
: : a team of elites got the the flood before keys and his
: men
: : did. sure they sealed the door, but we watch many a time
: as
: : the flood bust down doors.
: :
: : it could be argued that the covies never got word back
: to
: : thier commanders. but still, covenant disappeared into
: that
: : structure and never came out, BEFORE we went in. maybe
: : covenant are ignorent ;-)
:
: They sealed the doors in an attempt to contain the
: flood, but the carnage everywhere that slowly unfolds before
: that locked room is evidence of the flood getting out even
: IF that door was locked.
:
: Heck, there's flood around shortly before you get close to
: the enterance of that underground structure. Notice your
: motion tracker shows yellow blips, you see human weapon fire
: and Covenant running in fear.
:

Which is, of course, just ARs floating in midair.

Even before that, however, if you use the grenade throwing trick to ride the dropship after it drops you off, you can see an explosion on a nearby hillside, with Flood and Covenant bodies. So the Flood are already loose before you find Jenkins, and were probably loose before Keyes ordered that door opened, also.

And perhaps even earlier... :)

: -Harry



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



Ryan's picture

In reply to: Re: Let's not forget, the covie let loose the flood

I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but here goes anyway. In 343 Guilty Spark, as you're walking across the fallen tree that leads to where you see an explosion and Covenant running away under (floating!) assault rifle fire, if you looks up at the top of the hill in front of you (try zooming with the pistol) you'll see a flood watching you, who promptly runs away.

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In reply to: Re: Let's not forget, the covie let loose the flood

Better yet, use the grenade throw bug to ride the dropship up from the landing zone. Look out the window towards the hill, and you'll see an explosion there that features dead Covenant and Flood. This also allows you to run around the top of the map and drop down on top of the installation entrance, giving you an excellent view of the floating assault rifles.

Dallon wrote on Wednesday, 09/4/2002 - 6:35 am:

: I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but here goes anyway.
: In 343 Guilty Spark, as you're walking across the fallen
: tree that leads to where you see an explosion and Covenant
: running away under (floating!) assault rifle fire, if you
: looks up at the top of the hill in front of you (try zooming
: with the pistol) you'll see a flood watching you, who
: promptly runs away.



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



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There have been many wonderful/fearful/exciting/funny moments in Halo for me. thought I'd share a few :-)

I took a long time to sneak around and behind a hunter, so I could pin a grenade to him. but after I threw it, I realized I was trying to throw through a window...woops....bu-bye Spartan :-)

Me and my bro each had flyers, we were both coming in for a landing. I let him land first, then when he had landed I nose dived at him and told him to "look up". I wanted to see what it looked like to have a flyer diving straight down on you. I watched his screen as I pulled back. I didn't pull back fast enough. Splat.

on the indoor bridge level between outdoor snow areas, I took the tank and shoved a turret with a grunt in it right off the edge :-)

When after my first fight with the flood, I make it to the elevator. I was so relieved. but it went down....

and the time I laughed the hardest....
when underground fighting the flood, me and my brother were on bridge work over top of a ton of flood. I asked my brother to walk over to me....in between was a glass floor....one pistol shot....I still laugh at the thought :-)

there are many more that I've had, but those are all the ones off the top of my head. anyone else?

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

Harry's picture

In reply to: Memorable Moments in Halo

Earendil wrote on Saturday, 12/8/2001 - 11:00 pm:

: When after my first fight with the flood, I make it to the
: elevator. I was so relieved. but it went down....

Oh man... I never even went NEAR that elevator until the last time I played through 343 Guilty Spark. There's no platform, so what I did is went around and hit the switch... BOOM CRACK bits of the elevator fall down from above and that terrible dooming music starts. I just sat there going wow, I'm fucked, even though I played through that chapter so many times! I love how 343 Guilty Spark is set up - creepy and action-packed. I think that surviving marine who is so mad with fear that he doesn't recognise you was a wonderful touch!

-Harry

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