Here - http://rampancy.net/halo3guide/covenant/units
under Prophets, you suggest that it contradicts itself when it sais that the Prophet of Truth will activate the Halo's at any cost. I am 90% certain that your interpretation of this is incorrect. What it means is that Truth will do anything to activate them(like sacrifice many troops), not that he will activate them despite what the results of doing so are. I'm not asking you to change this because this is your site and I don't think my interpretation is more important than your but maybe you could put mine up alongside yours and let your readers decide for themselves? Thanks
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yougotslayed
*Under Prophet of Truth,
*Under Prophet of Truth, Sorry.
narcogen
Valid
In reply to: *Under Prophet of Truth,Your interpretation is certainly valid; but I think the language "at any costs" is all-inclusive, meaning not only consequences to be suffered before activation, but also those to be suffered after activation.
That the Prophets are so distrustful and resentful of 343GS, and that Tartarus also restricts him from speaking, seems to indicate that they know that knowledge he has imperils their objectives. That they silenced the Heretic, who also had such information from 343GS, corroborates this.
What I mean to say is that those statements and actions conflict with the characterization of Truth as deluded, as if he was fooling himself or someone else had fooled him. It seems that he, and possibly the other hierarchs, have fooled the rest of the Covenant and do not wish that deception uncovered before their objective can be met.
This meshes with the idea that the Great Journey is not the activation of Halo itself, but the entry into the slipspace bubble safe area, as depicted in Ghosts of Onyx. Truth may think it leads somewhere-- leads to where the Forerunners went. The system's design probably prevents this door from being opened until the Halo system is activated. So in a sense, the cleansing of the entire universe is the price that must be paid to open that door, and it's likely that despite his promises to the Covenant rank and file, not everybody is going to go on the journey; but by the time they find that out, it will be too late to do anything about it.
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yougotslayed
Well put
In reply to: ValidAlthough I still believe my interpretation to be correct(as I am sure you believe yours to be), I do see how yours could fit. For all we know though, he could "know" the truth but maybe he doesn't believe it? Maybe he thinks that what the Oracle says is just a test of faith present by the Forerunners? Well hopefully we will know this fall.
Anton P Nym
Or, if you want to get really cynical...
In reply to: ValidPerhaps Truth knows damned well what's going to happen. Perhaps it's part of the plan. Perhaps it was all the way back to the founding of the Covenant; a giant confidence scam.
Cue up the rings, jump into a Shield World, get some faith-drunken sap to blow up *everybody* for you except the few *you* choose to accompany you, and then return to a Galaxy quite free of anybody who could oppose you. As an added bonus, you get to loot their stuff. (Assuming that the continued presence of Forerunner artefacts means that the Halos' destructive power targets just those "of sufficient (body) mass and cognitive capacity".)
There's your great journey. And, at the end, a galaxy spanning civilization infrastructure for free.
Of course, now that the Flood really is loose, it's not going to be quite so simple. And I'm not certain this is The Plan according to all Prophets... as Regret was really trying to get that sermon done.
-- Steve
narcogen
Nice Doggy
In reply to: Or, if you want to get really cynical...[quote=Anton P Nym]Perhaps Truth knows damned well what's going to happen. Perhaps it's part of the plan. Perhaps it was all the way back to the founding of the Covenant; a giant confidence scam.[/quote]
I always thought that was a good possibility; that the Prophets couldn't see themselves winning the war, and that the whole Covenant setup was a classical exercise in diplomacy-- of saying "nice doggy" while you look for a rock.
Halo just happens to be a really, really big rock. I could imagine the Prophet leadership as a group, or perhaps Truth as an individual, imagining himself becoming God in a new universe by being the only living being to survive the firing. That woul make him the Durandal equivalent in Halo's story, and Gravemind the Thoth equivalent.
[quote=Anton P Nym] Cue up the rings, jump into a Shield World, get some faith-drunken sap to blow up *everybody* for you except the few *you* choose to accompany you, and then return to a Galaxy quite free of anybody who could oppose you. As an added bonus, you get to loot their stuff. (Assuming that the continued presence of Forerunner artefacts means that the Halos' destructive power targets just those "of sufficient (body) mass and cognitive capacity".)
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Yup. Works for me.
[quote=Anton P Nym]There's your great journey. And, at the end, a galaxy spanning civilization infrastructure for free.
Of course, now that the Flood really is loose, it's not going to be quite so simple. And I'm not certain this is The Plan according to all Prophets... as Regret was really trying to get that sermon done.
-- Steve[/quote]
I think the real question becomes what alternative Gravemind offers, if any. If there is none forthcoming, the issue becomes how to fire the installations while substituting humanity or some portion of it inside the Shield World's slipspace bubble instead of Truth and his goons, and then how to deal with the Flood that survive (presumably infection forms).
I'm guessing perhaps mere containment for future preservation and study won't be on the list of options.
Rampant for over se7en years.