An article at Invisible Dream entitled GameCube-- Worth It? Part II has a few interesting comments in it about the Xbox and Halo:
Could anyone see MS suddenly bragging that they downgraded their graphics chip’s performance speed? No, but Nintendo did. They said out in the open that the system wasn’t in sync with itself as much as they would have liked, and the reduced speed in the graphics processor core created a much better overall system. In contrast to the N64, there are no bottlenecks. Everything that Nintendo says the NGC does it does, and it does so with ease. From the graphics chip to the sound processor to the CPU, it is a beautiful system. Couple this with the fact that the XBOX is being touted as the PC Gamer’s console, I think MS is making a mistake. Console gamers want console games, not PC games. PC gamers want games on their PC on their monitor that can display their games at 12x7 resolution, not on 6x4 max on a TV. Halo, no matter how good, will always be better on a PC.
While some of the Mac and PC gamers among Bungie's fans might agree, the idea of a processor speed reduction being a selling point is interesting. Perhaps it might mean that the extra speed would be wasted because the rest of the machine can't keep up with the CPU, and that's a good design principle, but it hardly seems like part of a marketing push.
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Anonymous (not verified)
PC HALO
The fact that MS is making s console does not make it a PC/console. And reference to PC-Halo. PC-Halo will never be as good as XBOX halo. 1. The Xbox is better than most PC's
2. Halo would be downsized to fit all the PC's, making it worse.
3. The keyboard/mouse support isn't an issue. Controllers are much more easier to use.
4. MS bought out Bungie, do you think MS would allow Bungie to make a PC version?
All that sh*t is fu*kin incorrect
narcogen
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: PC HALOAnonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 10:00 am:
: The fact that MS is making s console does not make it a
: PC/console. And reference to PC-Halo. PC-Halo will never be
: as good as XBOX halo. 1. The Xbox is better than most PC's
Well, this is certainly MS' position, but it's debatable. The CPU is less than half as fast as those sold in PCs now. And the GPU is only slightly different than the GeForce 3 (one more shader, but a slower speed).
: 2. Halo would be downsized to fit all the PC's, making it
: worse.
Why's that? Halo fits on a DVD. PCs take DVDs.
: 3. The keyboard/mouse support isn't an issue. Controllers
: are much more easier to use.
Your opinion. I have both and I prefer the mouse.
: 4. MS bought out Bungie, do you think MS would allow
: Bungie to make a PC version?
They seem to think so, and they're the ones who signed the relevant contracts. While I'm sure it's true that lots of things can change, Bungie has stated very recently and very emphatically that Halo will be publishes for the Mac and the PC, and they keep saying it no matter how many people say that a friend of a friend who works for MS says it's dead, or how many conclude that because Halo is on the Xbox it won't be on the PC.
MS isn't dumb enough to say no to more sales. By the time Mac/PC Halo comes out anyway, that game will no longer be a reason to either buy an Xbox or not buy an Xbox. So it won't hurt that platform at all.
Narcogen
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALOnarcogen wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 12:18 pm:
: Anonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 10:00 am:
:
: : The fact that MS is making s console does not make it
: a
: : PC/console. And reference to PC-Halo. PC-Halo will never
: be
: : as good as XBOX halo. 1. The Xbox is better than most
: PC's
:
: Well, this is certainly MS' position, but it's debatable.
: The CPU is less than half as fast as those sold in PCs now.
: And the GPU is only slightly different than the GeForce 3
: (one more shader, but a slower speed).
:
: : 2. Halo would be downsized to fit all the PC's, making
: it
: : worse.
:
: Why's that? Halo fits on a DVD. PCs take DVDs.
:
: : 3. The keyboard/mouse support isn't an issue.
: Controllers
: : are much more easier to use.
:
: Your opinion. I have both and I prefer the mouse.
:
: : 4. MS bought out Bungie, do you think MS would allow
: : Bungie to make a PC version?
:
: They seem to think so, and they're the ones who signed the
: relevant contracts. While I'm sure it's true that lots of
: things can change, Bungie has stated very recently and very
: emphatically that Halo will be publishes for the Mac and the
: PC, and they keep saying it no matter how many people say
: that a friend of a friend who works for MS says it's dead,
: or how many conclude that because Halo is on the Xbox it
: won't be on the PC.
:
: MS isn't dumb enough to say no to more sales. By the time
: Mac/PC Halo comes out anyway, that game will no longer be a
: reason to either buy an Xbox or not buy an Xbox. So it won't
: hurt that platform at all.
:
:
1. downsized to fit all PC's
You Idiot. The DVD would be the same size. The graphics and sound and other qualities that make Halo HALO would ruin it. Compare Half-Life PC and half-Life PS2.
2. 733 mhz, the average PC has 600. Sure there are 1000mhz, but not very many own a 2500 mhz computers.
3. Xbox's, regardless of what games, will always have a purpose.
4. PC vs. Xbox. How different can they be anyways? The keyboard/mouse and the controller is about the only difference.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALO: 1. downsized to fit all PC's
: You Idiot. The DVD would be the same size. The
: graphics and sound and other qualities that make Halo HALO
: would ruin it. Compare Half-Life PC and half-Life PS2.
By the time Halo comes out on PC I don't think it would really be as big a problem as you make it out to be. It would probably be true that many computers wouldn't run as well as the X-Box version but there would also be a heck of a lot that ran it better. When did the PC version of Half-Life first come out? And the PS2 version?
: 2. 733 mhz, the average PC has 600. Sure there are
: 1000mhz, but not very many own a 2500 mhz computers.
There will be a lot more people who own one by the time Halo would come out for Mac and PC.
: 3. Xbox's, regardless of what games, will always have a
: purpose.
To ride in GameCube's wake? ;)
: 4. PC vs. Xbox. How different can they be anyways? The
: keyboard/mouse and the controller is about the only
: difference.
..Uh so how does this argue against Halo coming to PC?
-OtA
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALOOrlando the Axe wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 5:07 pm:
: : 1. downsized to fit all PC's
: : You Idiot. The DVD would be the same size. The
: : graphics and sound and other qualities that make Halo
: HALO
: : would ruin it. Compare Half-Life PC and half-Life PS2.
:
:
: By the time Halo comes out on PC I don't think it would
: really be as big a problem as you make it out to be. It
: would probably be true that many computers wouldn't run as
: well as the X-Box version but there would also be a heck of
: a lot that ran it better. When did the PC version of
: Half-Life first come out? And the PS2 version?
:
: : 2. 733 mhz, the average PC has 600. Sure there are
: : 1000mhz, but not very many own a 2500 mhz computers.
:
: There will be a lot more people who own one by the time
: Halo would come out for Mac and PC.
:
: : 3. Xbox's, regardless of what games, will always have
: a
: : purpose.
:
: To ride in GameCube's wake? ;)
:
: : 4. PC vs. Xbox. How different can they be anyways?
: The
: : keyboard/mouse and the controller is about the only
: : difference.
:
: ..Uh so how does this argue against Halo coming to PC?
:
Gamecube will be eating Xbox's Dust. Gamecube aint got nothing on the Xbox. But that's besides the point. Summer 2002 isn't that far way, and all the people out there who have waited for PC HALO will be disappointed.
All I'm saying is tha When HALO for PC comes out, if it does, all of you will be very disappointed. You would have wished you got an Xbox and played your heart out. Face the facts, PC Halo will be worse than Xbox halo.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALO: Gamecube will be eating Xbox's Dust. Gamecube aint got
: nothing on the Xbox. But that's besides the point. Summer
: 2002 isn't that far way, and all the people out there who
: have waited for PC HALO will be disappointed.
Heh. GC beat out Xbox's sales on Launch day, buddy. And that was without any killer apps, or even huge advertising. What will happen when they release Zelda? Or maybe Smash Bro's? MS has got nothing except Halo..and maybe DOA3.
: All I'm saying is tha When HALO for PC comes out, if
: it does, all of you will be very disappointed. You would
: have wished you got an Xbox and played your heart out. Face
: the facts, PC Halo will be worse than Xbox halo.
What facts? You dont know anything concrete dumbass.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALOAnonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 6:07 pm:
: : Gamecube will be eating Xbox's Dust. Gamecube aint
: got
: : nothing on the Xbox. But that's besides the point.
: Summer
: : 2002 isn't that far way, and all the people out there
: who
: : have waited for PC HALO will be disappointed.
:
: Heh. GC beat out Xbox's sales on Launch day, buddy. And
: that was without any killer apps, or even huge advertising.
: What will happen when they release Zelda? Or maybe Smash
: Bro's? MS has got nothing except Halo..and maybe DOA3.
:
: : All I'm saying is tha When HALO for PC comes out,
: if
: : it does, all of you will be very disappointed. You
: would
: : have wished you got an Xbox and played your heart out.
: Face
: : the facts, PC Halo will be worse than Xbox halo.
:
: What facts? You dont know anything concrete dumbass.
You fu*king jackass, I know the fu*king Gamecube slaes beat Xbox. GC inclued Japan, which has bean out for 5 months. The GC has beaten Xbox sales so far, but that doesn't mean the machine is better. Xbox is a far better machine that GC. GC is a 6 by 6 box of sh*t. And I can say that you don't have sufficient enough proof to prove that PC will be better either, I do. So Shut the Fu*k up and ship yourself back to Japan.
:
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALO: You fu*king jackass, I know the fu*king Gamecube slaes
: beat Xbox. GC inclued Japan, which has bean out for 5
: months. The GC has beaten Xbox sales so far, but that
: doesn't mean the machine is better. Xbox is a far better
: machine that GC. GC is a 6 by 6 box of sh*t. And I can say
: that you don't have sufficient enough proof to prove that PC
: will be better either, I do. So Shut the Fu*k up and ship
: yourself back to Japan.
Uh. No. Maybe you should shut the hell up before you make a total fool of yourself. Oh wait. Too late. Those numbers were for America alone, retard, and GC did beat Xbox. I think you have it wrong, MS is the only entity (other than the fanboys, like you) that says the Xbox can out perform GC. And I havent seen any game on Xbox that cant run easily on GC. Though it is doubtfull that Xbox could handle Rogue Squadran 2 with the same ease that the GC manages.
Stop your trolling. It doesnt belong here.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALOAnonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 6:31 pm:
: : You fu*king jackass, I know the fu*king Gamecube
: slaes
: : beat Xbox. GC inclued Japan, which has bean out for 5
: : months. The GC has beaten Xbox sales so far, but that
: : doesn't mean the machine is better. Xbox is a far
: better
: : machine that GC. GC is a 6 by 6 box of sh*t. And I can
: say
: : that you don't have sufficient enough proof to prove
: that PC
: : will be better either, I do. So Shut the Fu*k up and
: ship
: : yourself back to Japan.
:
: Uh. No. Maybe you should shut the hell up before you
: make a total fool of yourself. Oh wait. Too late. Those
: numbers were for America alone, retard, and GC did beat
: Xbox. I think you have it wrong, MS is the only entity
: (other than the fanboys, like you) that says the Xbox can
: out perform GC. And I havent seen any game on Xbox that
: cant run easily on GC. Though it is doubtfull that Xbox
: could handle Rogue Squadran 2 with the same ease that the GC
: manages.
:
: Shut the Fu*k up you Japanese Guru. The Xbox CAN outperform the GC. Your comparison as RS2 on GC, that makes no sense. The DVD's aren't even the same size. RS2 was made for GC, had it been made for Xbox, it WOULD outperform it on GC. That's Beside the point. Sales has nothing to do with the fact that the Xbox tops all. PS2, GC, they all bow before the power of the Xbox. GC's cost less, games on both systems, you would take the lower price. That has some say in the sales, but sales aren't important in referance to power.
:
Like you said about me, it's the Japanese, never had any other system Nintendo freaks, that can say that the GC is better. This is an arguement that you will not win.
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALO: : Shut the Fu*k up you Japanese Guru. The Xbox CAN
: outperform the GC. Your comparison as RS2 on GC, that makes
: no sense. The DVD's aren't even the same size. RS2 was made
: for GC, had it been made for Xbox, it WOULD outperform it on
: GC. That's Beside the point. Sales has nothing to do with
: the fact that the Xbox tops all. PS2, GC, they all bow
: before the power of the Xbox. GC's cost less, games on both
: systems, you would take the lower price. That has some say
: in the sales, but sales aren't important in referance to
: power.
:
: :
: Like you said about me, it's the Japanese, never had any
: other system Nintendo freaks, that can say that the GC is
: better. This is an arguement that you will not win.
Well, Since that didnt make any sense (considering PS ruled in Japan over N64) I have already won. gg
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALOAnonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 6:55 pm:
: : : Shut the Fu*k up you Japanese Guru. The Xbox CAN
: : outperform the GC. Your comparison as RS2 on GC, that
: makes
: : no sense. The DVD's aren't even the same size. RS2 was
: made
: : for GC, had it been made for Xbox, it WOULD outperform
: it on
: : GC. That's Beside the point. Sales has nothing to do
: with
: : the fact that the Xbox tops all. PS2, GC, they all bow
: : before the power of the Xbox. GC's cost less, games on
: both
: : systems, you would take the lower price. That has some
: say
: : in the sales, but sales aren't important in referance
: to
: : power.
: :
: : :
: : Like you said about me, it's the Japanese, never had
: any
: : other system Nintendo freaks, that can say that the GC
: is
: : better. This is an arguement that you will not win.
:
: Well, Since that didnt make any sense (considering PS
: ruled in Japan over N64) I have already won. gg
Like I said, you can go ahead and be ahppy with your Piece Of Sh*t Gamecube, While I enjoy the pleasures of the Xbox. You've won nothing. Of course, Sony is JAPANESE, so it is no suprise to me that PS1 and PS2 sold out Nintendo. I would love to beat the Sh*t out of you and stuff you into a box and ship you back to the sh*thole Japan you cam from.
narcogen
INAPPROPRIATE
In reply to: Re: PC HALOAnonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 8:13 pm:
: Like I said, you can go ahead and be ahppy with your Piece
: Of Sh*t Gamecube, While I enjoy the pleasures of the Xbox.
: You've won nothing. Of course, Sony is JAPANESE, so it is no
: suprise to me that PS1 and PS2 sold out Nintendo. I would
: love to beat the Sh*t out of you and stuff you into a box
: and ship you back to the sh*thole Japan you cam from.
:
That's not going to be tolerated here at all.
One more outburst like that and I'll ban the subnet.
Narcogen
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: PC HALO
In reply to: Re: PC HALOActually I have read many articles were the Developers that have made the same game for both the Xbox and the Gamecube say the Gamecube plays and Looks better...but I guess they are idiots as well?!?!?!
Nintendo did alot with less bulk...gotta give them credit IMO.
narcogen
Fanbois
In reply to: Re: PC HALOAnonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 7:13 pm:
: You fu*king jackass, I know the fu*king Gamecube slaes
: beat Xbox. GC inclued Japan, which has bean out for 5
: months.
No, it didn't.
GC claims 510,000 sold in Japan *prior* to US launch.
They shipped 700,000 units for sale on launch date.
They are shipping an additional 200,000 now.
MS only shipped 300,000 units for launch date according to Goldman Sachs.
They have NOT all sold in all locations. There has been no concrete announcement of when more will be shipped, although MS is still claiming they will ship over a million before Xmas.
The GC has beaten Xbox sales so far, but that
: doesn't mean the machine is better. Xbox is a far better
: machine that GC. GC is a 6 by 6 box of sh*t. And I can say
: that you don't have sufficient enough proof to prove that PC
: will be better either, I do. So Shut the Fu*k up and ship
: yourself back to Japan.
That kind of bull isn't really welcome here, whoever you are. There are plenty of sites for Xbox and GC fanbois to cuss at each other. This isn't one of them.
As for sales not proving the machine is better.. granted.
But also irrelevant. Beta was better than VHS, but nobody cares anymore. Some say DC was better than PS1, but nobody cares now either.
Narcogen
narcogen
Xbox vs. PC comparisons
In reply to: Re: PC HALOAnonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 5:54 pm:
: :
: 1. downsized to fit all PC's
: You Idiot. The DVD would be the same size. The
: graphics and sound and other qualities that make Halo HALO
: would ruin it. Compare Half-Life PC and half-Life PS2.
Right. So if Half Life had to be scaled down to fit in the PS1 (a console) from the PC, why would Halo need to be scaled down to fit a PC after coming from the Xbox (a decidedly PC-like console?)
To be honest, I *do* know that Halo will have to be changed, and I have a reasonably good idea which parts; however, you haven't mentioned any of them. So I'm just curious what your reasoning is beyond the MS-produced PR sound bite that the Xbox is superior to PCs. Numerous gaming and technically-oriented sites (Anandtech, FiringSquad, Ars Technica) have discussed it and noted that the Xbox is superior in some ways, but not in others.
:
: 2. 733 mhz, the average PC has 600. Sure there are
: 1000mhz, but not very many own a 2500 mhz computers.
I don't even see 600 Mhz machines on sale anymore, not even in backwaters like the one I live in.
Since there are no "old" Xboxes, I'm not comparing the Xbox to computers people already own, just new computers. Although game companies try, most of the time, to allow for scaling back to make games work with old computers, many of the best games fail. I'm sure Doom 3, when it comes out, is going to require the latest and greatest, and its screenshots look at least as good as anything on the Xbox, if not better. Yes, it's not out yet-- but I'm guessing it will be by the Xbox's first birthday. And like PCs, consoles tend to have a life of 2-3 years (when successful, like the PS1).
:
: 3. Xbox's, regardless of what games, will always have a
: purpose.
I have no idea what you mean by that. Please explain.
: 4. PC vs. Xbox. How different can they be anyways? The
: keyboard/mouse and the controller is about the only
: difference.
That was my point. If they aren't that different, how are they superior?
About the only *real* advantage I see, is that the Xbox delivers more graphic performance FOR THE MONEY. It's not that you can't put together a gaming rig that isn't better than an Xbox-- even if you can't today, you will be able to very soon. But not for $300.
However, that's just an advantage in the size of the market you can address, not the hardware itself. So it has no effect at all on whether or not PC Halo would "suck" when it comes out. Only on whether or not it's worth making. Bungie seems to think so, and I'm not inclined to argue the point.
Narcogen
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisons
In reply to: Xbox vs. PC comparisonsnarcogen wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 10:47 pm:
: Anonymous wrote on Sunday, 11/25/2001 - 5:54 pm:
:
:
: : :
: : 1. downsized to fit all PC's
: : You Idiot. The DVD would be the same size. The
: : graphics and sound and other qualities that make Halo
: HALO
: : would ruin it. Compare Half-Life PC and half-Life PS2.
:
:
: Right. So if Half Life had to be scaled down to fit in the
: PS1 (a console) from the PC, why would Halo need to be
: scaled down to fit a PC after coming from the Xbox (a
: decidedly PC-like console?)
:
: To be honest, I *do* know that Halo will have to be
: changed, and I have a reasonably good idea which parts;
: however, you haven't mentioned any of them. So I'm just
: curious what your reasoning is beyond the MS-produced PR
: sound bite that the Xbox is superior to PCs. Numerous gaming
: and technically-oriented sites (Anandtech, FiringSquad, Ars
: Technica) have discussed it and noted that the Xbox is
: superior in some ways, but not in others.
:
: :
: : 2. 733 mhz, the average PC has 600. Sure there are
: : 1000mhz, but not very many own a 2500 mhz computers.
:
: I don't even see 600 Mhz machines on sale anymore, not
: even in backwaters like the one I live in.
:
: Since there are no "old" Xboxes, I'm not comparing the
: Xbox to computers people already own, just new computers.
: Although game companies try, most of the time, to allow for
: scaling back to make games work with old computers, many of
: the best games fail. I'm sure Doom 3, when it comes out, is
: going to require the latest and greatest, and its
: screenshots look at least as good as anything on the Xbox,
: if not better. Yes, it's not out yet-- but I'm guessing it
: will be by the Xbox's first birthday. And like PCs, consoles
: tend to have a life of 2-3 years (when successful, like the
: PS1).
: :
: : 3. Xbox's, regardless of what games, will always have
: a
: : purpose.
:
: I have no idea what you mean by that. Please explain.
:
: : 4. PC vs. Xbox. How different can they be anyways?
: The
: : keyboard/mouse and the controller is about the only
: : difference.
:
: That was my point. If they aren't that different, how are
: they superior?
:
: About the only *real* advantage I see, is that the Xbox
: delivers more graphic performance FOR THE MONEY. It's not
: that you can't put together a gaming rig that isn't better
: than an Xbox-- even if you can't today, you will be able to
: very soon. But not for $300.
:
: However, that's just an advantage in the size of the
: market you can address, not the hardware itself. So it has
: no effect at all on whether or not PC Halo would "suck" when
: it comes out. Only on whether or not it's worth making.
: Bungie seems to think so, and I'm not inclined to argue the
: point.
:
: Laughing My Ass Off.
I'm not going to answer any of your questions. They are stupid, but I will explain them.
1. Half-Life for PC was UPSIZED to fit the PS2.
2. 600 mhz comps aren't really for sale, but that doesn't mean that peple still don't have em'. The correct average is 657 mhz from MS's standpoint, not including Macs.
3. Xbox Halo IS Superior to the PC version, but still, the PC will be good, but not as good as Xbox HALO.
4. IN regards to the GC, it's cheaper. That's all I have to say about the sales.
5. I have no comment about the second shipment. It's being shipped this week. Obiously the whole sh*tload of Xbox's was held back.
6. Xbox Rules GC SUX
Halo Rules PC HALo Rules
Get my fu*king picture? All I'm saying is that Xbox beats GC and Xbox Halo beats PC Halo.
narcogen
Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisons
In reply to: Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisonsAnonymous wrote on Monday, 11/26/2001 - 8:30 am:
: : Laughing My Ass Off.
Ah. I must have missed the joke.
: I'm not going to answer any of your questions. They are
: stupid, but I will explain them.
So, are you going to answer them or not? I'm confused now.
: 1. Half-Life for PC was UPSIZED to fit the PS2.
Really. I wasn't aware the PS2 was even able to output at SVGA resolutions and 60 frames a second, seeing as that's wasted on a TV screen that can't even truely render 640x480 at 30 frames per second. I think what you mean to say, is that since the PS2 required textures of lower resolution, they were able to put more game content in the same amount of storage space.
However, this isn't "scaling up to fit". That's just adding more.
: 2. 600 mhz comps aren't really for sale, but that
: doesn't mean that peple still don't have em'. The correct
: average is 657 mhz from MS's standpoint, not including
: Macs.
What's that got to do anything? If you're examining a purchase decision, you compare what's for sale, not buying a new Xbox vs. a 2 year old PC. Of course the Xbox is more powerful than a 2 year old PC. But nobody will be able to run PC Halo on a 2 year old, 600 Mhz comp, so the comparison really isn't fair at all.
: 3. Xbox Halo IS Superior to the PC version, but still,
: the PC will be good, but not as good as Xbox HALO.
Even if this would be true it can't be "is" since PC Halo doesn't even exist yet.
: 4. IN regards to the GC, it's cheaper. That's all I
: have to say about the sales.
Actually, there's no data suggesting price is the controlling factor here. Nintendo shipped twice as many units, and sold them. That's it.
: 5. I have no comment about the second shipment. It's
: being shipped this week. Obiously the whole sh*tload of
: Xbox's was held back.
Really? Who told you it's being shipped this week?
As for the Xboxes... they weren't held back, they hadn't been MADE yet. Read the comments from the Xbox group regarding daily production in the Guadalajara plant. At even the best daily rates, there weren't more than 300,000 machines built to be shipped from the time they started full time production until the launch date. And the plant wasn't operating at peak all the time, hence the word "peak".
: 6. Xbox Rules GC SUX
: Halo Rules PC HALo Rules
: Get my fu*king picture? All I'm saying is that Xbox
: beats GC and Xbox Halo beats PC Halo.
Oh, I'm suddenly convinced!
It was the profanity that did it.
Narcogen
Anonymous (not verified)
Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisons
In reply to: Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisonsnarcogen wrote on Monday, 11/26/2001 - 8:08 am:
: Anonymous wrote on Monday, 11/26/2001 - 8:30 am:
: : : Laughing My Ass Off.
:
: Ah. I must have missed the joke.
:
: : I'm not going to answer any of your questions. They
: are
: : stupid, but I will explain them.
:
: So, are you going to answer them or not? I'm confused
: now.
:
: : 1. Half-Life for PC was UPSIZED to fit the PS2.
:
: Really. I wasn't aware the PS2 was even able to output at
: SVGA resolutions and 60 frames a second, seeing as that's
: wasted on a TV screen that can't even truely render 640x480
: at 30 frames per second. I think what you mean to say, is
: that since the PS2 required textures of lower resolution,
: they were able to put more game content in the same amount
: of storage space.
:
: However, this isn't "scaling up to fit". That's just
: adding more.
:
: : 2. 600 mhz comps aren't really for sale, but that
: : doesn't mean that peple still don't have em'. The
: correct
: : average is 657 mhz from MS's standpoint, not including
: : Macs.
:
: What's that got to do anything? If you're examining a
: purchase decision, you compare what's for sale, not buying a
: new Xbox vs. a 2 year old PC. Of course the Xbox is more
: powerful than a 2 year old PC. But nobody will be able to
: run PC Halo on a 2 year old, 600 Mhz comp, so the comparison
: really isn't fair at all.
:
: : 3. Xbox Halo IS Superior to the PC version, but
: still,
: : the PC will be good, but not as good as Xbox HALO.
:
: Even if this would be true it can't be "is" since PC Halo
: doesn't even exist yet.
:
: : 4. IN regards to the GC, it's cheaper. That's all I
: : have to say about the sales.
:
: Actually, there's no data suggesting price is the
: controlling factor here. Nintendo shipped twice as many
: units, and sold them. That's it.
:
: : 5. I have no comment about the second shipment.
: It's
: : being shipped this week. Obiously the whole sh*tload
: of
: : Xbox's was held back.
:
: Really? Who told you it's being shipped this week?
:
: As for the Xboxes... they weren't held back, they hadn't
: been MADE yet. Read the comments from the Xbox group
: regarding daily production in the Guadalajara plant. At even
: the best daily rates, there weren't more than 300,000
: machines built to be shipped from the time they started full
: time production until the launch date. And the plant wasn't
: operating at peak all the time, hence the word "peak".
:
: : 6. Xbox Rules GC SUX
: : Halo Rules PC HALo Rules
: : Get my fu*king picture? All I'm saying is that
: Xbox
: : beats GC and Xbox Halo beats PC Halo.
:
: Oh, I'm suddenly convinced!
:
: It was the profanity that did it.
:
: Your missing the point.
1. The Human Brain can only handle about 30 frames per second, so why is not having 60 frames for PS2 Half-Life a bad thing?
2. GC sux compared to Xbox, wanna argue, fine, you won't win.
3. The only basic difference with PC and Xbox Halo is the controls. Happy, I said they were both gonna be great.
4. What's your fuss all about anyway
Narcogen?
5. I don't really care, you can play your GC and sh*t, I don't care. You'll be missing out, and I'll be playing my Xbox.
Anonymous (not verified)
You, sir, are a moron.
In reply to: Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisonsAnonymous wrote on Monday, 11/26/2001 - 3:29 pm:
: narcogen wrote on Monday, 11/26/2001 - 8:08 am:
:
: : Anonymous wrote on Monday, 11/26/2001 - 8:30 am:
: : : : Laughing My Ass Off.
: :
: : Ah. I must have missed the joke.
: :
: : : I'm not going to answer any of your questions.
: They
: : are
: : : stupid, but I will explain them.
: :
: : So, are you going to answer them or not? I'm confused
: : now.
: :
: : : 1. Half-Life for PC was UPSIZED to fit the PS2.
: :
: : Really. I wasn't aware the PS2 was even able to output
: at
: : SVGA resolutions and 60 frames a second, seeing as
: that's
: : wasted on a TV screen that can't even truely render
: 640x480
: : at 30 frames per second. I think what you mean to say,
: is
: : that since the PS2 required textures of lower
: resolution,
: : they were able to put more game content in the same
: amount
: : of storage space.
: :
: : However, this isn't "scaling up to fit". That's just
: : adding more.
: :
: : : 2. 600 mhz comps aren't really for sale, but that
: : : doesn't mean that peple still don't have em'. The
: : correct
: : : average is 657 mhz from MS's standpoint, not
: including
: : : Macs.
: :
: : What's that got to do anything? If you're examining a
: : purchase decision, you compare what's for sale, not
: buying a
: : new Xbox vs. a 2 year old PC. Of course the Xbox is
: more
: : powerful than a 2 year old PC. But nobody will be able
: to
: : run PC Halo on a 2 year old, 600 Mhz comp, so the
: comparison
: : really isn't fair at all.
: :
: : : 3. Xbox Halo IS Superior to the PC version, but
: : still,
: : : the PC will be good, but not as good as Xbox HALO.
: :
: : Even if this would be true it can't be "is" since PC
: Halo
: : doesn't even exist yet.
: :
: : : 4. IN regards to the GC, it's cheaper. That's all
: I
: : : have to say about the sales.
: :
: : Actually, there's no data suggesting price is the
: : controlling factor here. Nintendo shipped twice as
: many
: : units, and sold them. That's it.
: :
: : : 5. I have no comment about the second shipment.
: : It's
: : : being shipped this week. Obiously the whole sh*tload
: : of
: : : Xbox's was held back.
: :
: : Really? Who told you it's being shipped this week?
: :
: : As for the Xboxes... they weren't held back, they
: hadn't
: : been MADE yet. Read the comments from the Xbox group
: : regarding daily production in the Guadalajara plant. At
: even
: : the best daily rates, there weren't more than 300,000
: : machines built to be shipped from the time they started
: full
: : time production until the launch date. And the plant
: wasn't
: : operating at peak all the time, hence the word "peak".
: :
: : : 6. Xbox Rules GC SUX
: : : Halo Rules PC HALo Rules
: : : Get my fu*king picture? All I'm saying is that
: : Xbox
: : : beats GC and Xbox Halo beats PC Halo.
: :
: : Oh, I'm suddenly convinced!
: :
: : It was the profanity that did it.
: :
: : Your missing the point.
: 1. The Human Brain can only handle about 30 frames per
: second, so why is not having 60 frames for PS2 Half-Life a
: bad thing?
: 2. GC sux compared to Xbox, wanna argue, fine, you
: won't win.
: 3. The only basic difference with PC and Xbox Halo is
: the controls. Happy, I said they were both gonna be great.
:
: 4. What's your fuss all about anyway
: Narcogen?
: 5. I don't really care, you can play your GC and sh*t,
: I don't care. You'll be missing out, and I'll be playing my
: Xbox.
narcogen
Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisons
In reply to: Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisonsAnonymous wrote on Monday, 11/26/2001 - 4:29 pm:
: : Your missing the point.
: 1. The Human Brain can only handle about 30 frames per
: second, so why is not having 60 frames for PS2 Half-Life a
: bad thing?
Actually, that's not true. Lots of people keep saying it over and over again, but it isn't true. If you've got a definitive source that indicates that the human brain can't process more than thirty frames per second, please cite it.
: 2. GC sux compared to Xbox, wanna argue, fine, you
: won't win.
Why, because you say so? Now there's a definitive argument.
: 3. The only basic difference with PC and Xbox Halo is
: the controls. Happy, I said they were both gonna be great.
Actually, as I understand it there are going to be a lot more differences than that. But hey, you know best.
:
: 4. What's your fuss all about anyway
: Narcogen?
Hmm... I dislike disinformation and gross generalizations made without anyjustification?
: 5. I don't really care, you can play your GC and sh*t,
: I don't care. You'll be missing out, and I'll be playing my
: Xbox.
Gee... I think I already said I don't own a GC, I'm not going to own a GC, and I'm buying an Xbox with Halo at the first opportunity. Why you insist on considering me a GC fanboy because you happen to be an Xbox fanboy and I don't agree with everything you say is rather beyond me. But that's OK, I'm comfortable with that.
Narcogen
sadystix
Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisons
In reply to: Re: Xbox vs. PC comparisonsI just gotta say... This is a dumb bias arguement. Some peeps like consoles, some like PC, others like both. ....Then there are the ones who like none, but we dont need to get into that.
BTW, I like em both. =/~