(This isn't my post i just want some opinions!!!)

After playing through Halo a number of times, I have to say that the one thing that really bothers me is Cortana's exchange with Foe Hammer near the end of The Maw.

Being specific, Foe Hammer says:

Echo 419 to Cortana. Things are gettin' noisy down there. Everything okay?

...and Cortana replies:

Negative, negative! We have a wildcat destabilization of the ship's fusion core. The engines must have sustained more damage than we thought!

Now what does she mean by 'more damage than we thought'?

Is she implying that cracking the engine shields has caused the engines to melt down quicker than she first assumed? Possibly, but I don't think so. Given the complete lack of any communication with any other UNSC forces of the intention to destroy Halo, Cortana's response is tantamount to a blatant lie. It sounds like she's implying that the PoA's engines suffered more damage in the original crash than was previously assumed, and that the meltdown is not as a result of anything done deliberately after that particular incident.

If so, why is she appearing to hide the fact that It's due to her and Master Chief's actions?

For that matter, why have none of the other human forces been ordered to abandon Halo by any means? Doing so is hardly going to alert the Covenant, since they have already been ordered off Halo themselves and would see nothing odd in the humans leaving too.

As it is, after Halo's destruction, Master Chief asks Cortana 'did anyone else make it'. Again, given that nobody else seems to have been aware of their intentions, why should they have?

As an aside, but connected with this, is the issue of getting off Halo. At first, after initially setting the PoA's engines to detonate, Cortana says:

That should give us enough time to make it to a lifeboat and put some distance between ourselves and Halo before the detonation.

One, why would they be any lifeboats left? Two, I would have thought it doubtful that any that were left would still be operable by now. Three, would a lifeboat actually be capable of getting them back to Earth or any other human outpost? Possibly. Four, and most importantly, it implies that originally Cortana had no intention of contacting Foe Hammer and thus reinforces the suspicion that she was/is not interested in the survival of any other UNSC forces.

However, given that her second choice is Foe Hammer, does that imply that a Pelican would equally be capable of getting back to Earth or reaching any other UNSC forces or human outpost?

I don't know. But whatever, the Cortana/Foe Hammer exchange near the end of The Maw really bugs me. It very much suggests that Cortana is not 'coming clean' with Foe Hammer as to the reasons for the PoA's engine meltdown.

The question is, why?

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Part of the reply was (and I'm not quoting here as I haven't asked permission):
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And what about Warning: Hitchhikers May Be Escaping Convicts. Has the Master Chief picked up any hitchhikers?

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(Still with me? Good.)

To which I replied:
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Indeed...

Cortana, in. Cortana Plus, out. Certainly plausible (if that's the direction you're heading). It's a possibility I've been toying with myself.

don't get me started! ;-)

Of course, arguably, it could be seen to imply that 343 Guilty Spark is the 'escaping convict', 'hitching' a lift by following the Longsword. But that seems far too obvious for Bungie's tastes.

It's interesting to note though that Cortana refers to her 12 hours in Halo's core as being 'cooped up', which is a curious turn of phrase in itself, given the apparent wealth and breadth of information suddenly available to her. She makes it sound as if she was getting bored...

Moving on though, if she was 'watching' MC and 343GS during those 12 hours she must have been aware of the monitor's intentions to fire Halo before they got back to the Control Room. In that case, linked directly with the core, surely she could initiate a far more precise and effective method of stopping Halo from firing than just blowing it up. So why choose the apparent finality of the 'destroy it and escape' method instead.

Plot defined to allow for game play..? Possibly... Because she couldn't..? Maybe she only had read-only access... Difficult to say.

Here's a bit of wild, crazy speculation though:

If Halo is capable of killing the Flood's food, then destroying Halo would stop that from happening. Which begs the question; could the Flood survive Halo being broken into pieces?

343GS states:

The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood.

If, by 'installation', he means Halo, then his comment implies that It's primary function was not to destroy all potential food sources. That would only be a last resort failsafe function in light of the Flood actually getting off Halo. However, if Cortana is right and destroying Halo has killed the Flood, then why was there not a first level failsafe that allowed for the self destruction of the installation if the Flood got loose upon its surface? Surely a far simpler and cleaner solution than the mass wiping out of life across the whole galaxy.

What if destroying Halo in that manner doesn't actually guarantee killing the Flood completely? After all, breaking up Halo would definitely stop it from firing. But completely kill the Flood as well...?

While Cortana's plan to stop Halo from firing is quite laudable and certainly understandable in the circumstances, her single minded concerns over doing so tend to ignore the potential of the Flood themselves.

Is there a chance that something came out of the core with Cortana (full circle here) that wishes to preserve/release the Flood and get rid of Halo at the same time?

Its parasitic nature belies the Flood's intelligence.

Could the Flood have already infiltrated the core in some way? If they can repair and operate/navigate a space-going vessel, then surely tampering with Halo's systems is not beyond their means.

As it is:

Just what is a 'drone control subsystem'? What exactly constitutes 'Flood activity'?

What is Halo to the Flood, if not a prison? Do we have some form of 'escaped convict'? Not necessarily Flood itself, but possibly Flood contrived.

343GS: The Flood must not escape the installation. They could soon evolve.

Into what precisely..?

What if not informing the humans of the planned destruction/break-up of Halo means more bodies left for any surviving Flood on the large remaining pieces..?

Okay, that's probably a bit too wild and I may be speculating a little too much (long day), but Halo does tend to lend itself to doing so rather voraciously, and eventually the tru7h will out. :-)

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Finished...?

Damn. You made it.

Well, I know that It's a lot to take in all in one shot. But...any views on this?

Mark Simmons

Comments

System Failure's picture

Listen Cortana said that because she thought the engines would blow up slower. I think she thought a few rockets would make a slow melt down. Instead they bascally lit the fuse. No pelican can make it to earth. The peopl ewould die years before landing. One last thing, there was only to choices stop the flood and die or stop the flood and try to live

narcogen's picture

In reply to: Listen Cortana said that beca

System Failure wrote on Wednesday, 02/5/2003 - 6:51 pm:

: Listen Cortana said that because she thought the engines
: would blow up slower. I think she thought a few rockets
: would make a slow melt down. Instead they bascally lit the
: fuse. No pelican can make it to earth. The peopl ewould die
: years before landing. One last thing, there was only to
: choices stop the flood and die or stop the flood and try to
: live

I'll admit that the idea that Cortana simply meant that the engines would explode sooner than she thought is a likely explanation.

However, the bit about the pelican-- if it can't reach Earth, how could an escape capsule? The original storyboards have the MC locating a lifeboat and escaping that way-- in fact, that's what Cortana actually says first. Then she calls Foe Hammer, THEN we use the Longsword.



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Re: Listen Cortana said that beca

narcogen wrote on Thursday, 02/6/2003 - 11:43 pm:

: System Failure wrote on Wednesday, 02/5/2003 - 6:51 pm:
:
: : Listen Cortana said that because she thought the
: engines
: : would blow up slower. I think she thought a few
: rockets
: : would make a slow melt down. Instead they bascally lit
: the
: : fuse. No pelican can make it to earth. The peopl ewould
: die
: : years before landing. One last thing, there was only
: to
: : choices stop the flood and die or stop the flood and
: try to
: : live
:
: I'll admit that the idea that Cortana simply meant that
: the engines would explode sooner than she thought is a
: likely explanation.
:
: However, the bit about the pelican-- if it can't reach
: Earth, how could an escape capsule? The original storyboards
: have the MC locating a lifeboat and escaping that way-- in
: fact, that's what Cortana actually says first. Then she
: calls Foe Hammer, THEN we use the Longsword.
:
:


Narcogen

That sounds very plausible, note that this sounds EXACTLY like the original marathon. The Mjolnir Mark IV cyborg wakes up in an escape capsule and boards the marathon. But also, when he gets off the marathon, he escapes in Durandal's ship, and Durandal is the name of an old Broadsword/LONGSWORD. Could Halo 2 possibly combine a little of marathon storyline in it? I'd be so psyched if there could be a mixing of the two games and old marathon things come in. Oh man, tell me people, how amazing would it be if the Pfhor suddenly appeared??? that would make my year.

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Re: Listen Cortana said that beca

Marathon Daemonecles wrote on Friday, 02/14/2003 - 1:46 pm:

: narcogen wrote on Thursday, 02/6/2003 - 11:43 pm:
:
: : System Failure wrote on Wednesday, 02/5/2003 - 6:51
: pm:
: :
: : : Listen Cortana said that because she thought the
: : engines
: : : would blow up slower. I think she thought a few
: : rockets
: : : would make a slow melt down. Instead they bascally
: lit
: : the
: : : fuse. No pelican can make it to earth. The peopl
: ewould
: : die
: : : years before landing. One last thing, there was only
: : to
: : : choices stop the flood and die or stop the flood
: and
: : try to
: : : live
: :
: : I'll admit that the idea that Cortana simply meant
: that
: : the engines would explode sooner than she thought is a
: : likely explanation.
: :
: : However, the bit about the pelican-- if it can't reach
: : Earth, how could an escape capsule? The original
: storyboards
: : have the MC locating a lifeboat and escaping that way--
: in
: : fact, that's what Cortana actually says first. Then
: she
: : calls Foe Hammer, THEN we use the Longsword.
: :
: :


Narcogen


:
: That sounds very plausible, note that this sounds EXACTLY
: like the original marathon. The Mjolnir Mark IV cyborg
: wakes up in an escape capsule and boards the marathon. But
: also, when he gets off the marathon, he escapes in
: Durandal's ship, and Durandal is the name of an old
: Broadsword/LONGSWORD. Could Halo 2 possibly combine a
: little of marathon storyline in it? I'd be so psyched if
: there could be a mixing of the two games and old marathon
: things come in. Oh man, tell me people, how amazing would
: it be if the Pfhor suddenly appeared??? that would make my
: year.

Forgive me, but what the hell is the "Marathon"? I honestly have no idea what your talking about.

Earendil's picture

In reply to: Re: Listen Cortana said that beca

: Forgive me, but what the hell is the "Marathon"? I
: honestly have no idea what your talking about.

Get off the forum!!
j/k :)

umm...someone else explain this to him. I don'thave a firm enough grasp to explain it in less than 10 pages and make it readable.

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Haha

If you read about Halo's developer, Bungie Studio's, you'll eventually come across "Marathon". It was a game that they made some time ago before they thouhgt of making Myth of Halo.

Diablo11's picture

I disagree with your thoughts about cortana lying to foe hammer and mc but i agree with every thing else. Remember there are more than 1 halo, 343 knew this and when mc and cortana blew up "installation 04"(as quoted by 343 in the level guilty spark) 343 probably went to another halo and some how released the flood. There will be more flood in halo 2(fact), there are either 4 halo's or more than 4. There for mc and cortana didn't come even close to destroying the flood. I forgot, but in the last cut scene cortana says something that makes you think that she is hiding something from you,please pay very close attention to what cortana says and the tone of voice she says it in in the last cut scene. I dont want any comments on this article that has to deal with marathon or myth(but i noticed there is a giant myth(or marathon) logo on the side of the poa.)

The Moniter's picture

Hello, I am The Moniter of this instillation.... i will try to answer/speculate all the questions that you posted. Having considerable time to contemplate your questions I can say that i think Cortana has not stopped her mischevious ways,(I'm reffering to The Fall of Reach book)she often gets bored and she doesnt always tell the truth, I also thought that it was odd that she said the engines had too much damage,I think that she was implying that her plans were to blow up the engine and then have enough time to leisurly get off Halo, though I think that she was lying to Foe Hammer about the explosion, and she was counting on Foe hammer not to ask questions. Also she does not care about the other life forms on Halo, or cares very little, she just wants to get out of there. i agree with you when you say that GS343 and his sentinals are the escape convicts. About when she was in Halo, she might not have been able to do much, Halo is a very advanced thing(in lack of a better word). She unlocked some of the files the first time she was there, when she found out about the Flood, but the information appeared to be very limited, if so she could have easily become bored. The instillation GS343 was referring to is the library and the swamp building, which I think was a lan used to create the flood, because when you are on your way out, after the first elevator, the are many devices that look like lad equiptment, and all the rooms with the large glass and metal structures in them ( one had Flood slime dripping from it)seem to be containers for the Flood.That is a good piont about the failsafes, i also thought it was a bit extreme, and that Halo should be able to self destruct, but GS343 seems to be like Cortana and would rather keep himself alive (he might still be, since he flew out at the end of the credits) Also, by desroying all life in the galaxy, that ensures that the Flood cannot leave the galexy, and therefore stopping the spead through the Universe. I think it is unlikly for the Flood to survive Halos destruction I think they need air, and cannot survive in a Vacuum, that is if any are alive after Halos destruction. i dopubt that something was downloaded to Cortana, but it is not impossible, she is known to deceive. I think that the Flood might have a collective mind, or something like that, because I think they are controlled, or given intellegence by the large Flood, like the thing the captian turned into. also I htink that there are more than one of the giant Flood. And with the captian on the bridge of the Truth and Reconciliation, it certianly implys that the flood could fix it and he could command it. I don't know if they can get into the core, it would probably be harder than a starship. A drone control subsystem is the mechanics of The Library and his sentinals, the flood must have broken some computers in The Libray or something like that. Flood activity is when the Flood are released, which origionally was only the Flood infection, who infected larger beings (Humans and Covenant)those are the ones that have the ability to mess with stuff. The Flood could be the escape convicts that the talk about. have you ever seen Resident Evil? I think that the Flood can evolve like the large killing thing in that movie, What im saying is that the Flood can probably get stronger and more intellegent by "absorbing" other speicies. They could become uncontrollable very quickly. Hopefully the new book will shade some light on these things.

Goodbye Reclaimer.

Hello, I am The Moniter of this instillation....

Anonymous's picture

Ya, you are right, they should have contacted other marines and told them about thier plan to stop the flood. But who would ba alive on a zombie infested ring-world for at least 2 1/2 days? 2 1/2 days you ask? Well because at the start of 343GS Foe Hammmer says that its been 12 hours since her last contact with Keyes, -on a supporting note: You did notice how the flood spores (the little flood) killed the marines at the end of the level the moment they stuck on one?- plus 12 hours together with the moniter in the library and the 12 hour day change from the 2 betrayals to the start of the Maw. So just think for a sec about that....
Secondly I'm not relly sure about what they were exchanging at the end of the level but it is a blurry one...
Also what th moniter said was "The flood must not escape the installation, They Consume All. Which means that the flood can and will infect any and all Bio-masses out there.
Lastly, about the name of the last part of The Maw, Its called "Warning: Hicthhickers may be escaping convicts." right? It means that basically Don't Stop for anything! Its just a figure of speech that they used to show that your running for your life and that stopping or slowing down for a while is like picking up an escaping Convict.