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Anonymous's picture

Hi,

I'm on the second level in Halo, right after you leave the ship and crash. However, I am unable to find were I need to go I kill everything and then I am just stuck. Any help would ge great. Thanks, chad

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Halo HELP!

Lofty wrote on Tuesday, 11/27/2001 - 2:14 pm:

: Hi,
:
: I'm on the second level in Halo, right after you leave the
: ship and crash. However, I am unable to find were I need to
: go I kill everything and then I am just stuck. Any help
: would ge great. Thanks, chad

Harry's picture

In reply to: Halo HELP!

Look for a bridge close to the crashed escape pod, then head towards the hills.

The Sniper's picture

In reply to: Halo HELP!

Ok Here's What You Do. When You Start The Level Leave The Ship, Turn Around And Jump Off The Cliff. After Doing This 20 Times The Game Awards You The Dumbass Award And Shows A G-Elite With Your head On A Stake.
-The Sniper

NOTE: THIS IS COMPLETLY FAKE!!!I REPEAT THERE IS NO DUMBASS AWARD AND NO SCENE WITH A G-ELITE HOLDING A STAKE WITH YOUR HEAD ON IT!!!!

Anonymous's picture

I was wondering if anyone here is working on a story page for Halo? We REALLY need one and soon™. Just look at what Hamish has done with Marathon's!

I will offer my help to get this baby going!

noctavis's picture

I want real (not doctored) images of vehicles in the most unlikely places you can get 'em. In fact, I want images of the most quirky things you can find in Halo, and not just vehicles in strange places. (though I'd love to see that become a real competition)

Easter eggs. Exceedingly comical images, for whatever reason.

The other day, my Brother-in-Law and I spent most of our gaming time seeing how far we could get various vehicles inside different structures on the Halo. After much labor - and not a few grenades - we managed to get a Warthog down to the level of the Cartography Room. (everyone remember that ramp, heading downwards, without a rail, before you got to a room full of red boxes? That's it) And that was after only a few minutes of effort.

Perhaps if things get into full-swing, and we get some good submissions, I'll look into making a real prize for this. Perhaps some Bungie merchandise. Or something else.

Sound good?

You'll need to have some means of getting your images online, obviously, since you can't take screenshots (or uploade 'em) from an Xbox.

Good luck! ;-)



Noctavis
Bunbu Itchi - "The pen and sword in accord"


Noctavis
Astro the Space Duck's picture

In reply to: I'd like to propose an informal competition... ;-)

Alrighty. I'll go get the Jeep to the bottom of The Shaft on The Silent Cartographer, and take a picture of it. Xya in a bit.

Astro the Space Duck's picture

In reply to: Re: I'd like to propose an informal competition... ;-)

Grrr, after screwing around randomly on that level, for like 2 hours, right before I got to the bottom of where you're supposed to go, where you can get the Jeep down into the Shaft from, my jeep falls down a hole, and it checkpoints a second later.
Damn. So, I quit. I'll try it again tomarrow or something. In the mean time, I did manage to get up top, on top of the island, and take a bunch of nice shots from all around. I'll be posting them in a few min.

Thnax,
~Åstro

Astro the Space Duck's picture

In reply to: Re: I'd like to propose an informal competition... ;-)

OKie. I've tossed up on RHL (in Files/Uploads/HaloULs/HaloImageCometitionULs/)
Descriptions:

DCP02546.JPGShot from the narrow canyon leading to the security facility, looking up, to see the other player standing proudly on top of the cliff edge
DCP02547.JPGShot from the water near the little tunnel in the rock on the edge of the water, looking up. Yes, that's the other player looking down from way up top there.
DCP02548.JPGTop player is looking at the entrance to the Map facility, from above. Bottom player is looking at the hunter area, which moves off at the end of the level, exposing the hole.
DCP02549.JPGSorry for the ugly quality of this shot. Top is looking at the area with the two big rocks, just around the first side of the island from where you start. Botttom is looking at... A bunch of trees, from above, somewhere. :)
DCP02550.JPGTop is looking down into the beautiful waves, from on top of the structure that the marines sit under that you start the level near. Bottom is looking at the top player.
DCP02551.JPGBottom is firing at top player from the top of the security facility structure. Bottom is looking up at him from a nice hill.
DCP02552.JPGYes, the top player IS standing on the top of that big tall tree (it's one of the big ones near the big jump). He has also just shot off an overcharged fusio..err, plasma pistol blast, which you can see streaking off to the right and slightly down from him, in the bottom player's view.
DCP02553.JPGAnother shot from above the entrance to the security facility. Top is about to jump over the edge and hop down into the middle of 3 grunts and an elite. Bottom is watching those 3 grunts and elite shoot at Top.
DCP02554.JPGTop is showing the Jeep in the room with the red boxes and the hunters, in the security area (past the first boxes that block your path).
DCP02555.JPGBottom is standing next to the security controls, lookin back the way they came, at the jeep and Top.
DCP02557.JPGTop is watching Bottom drive around on the long ledge that the player kicks a stone off of, down into the shaft.

Unfortunatly, that's about it. My jeep got stuck in a hole, and then I checkpointed, so I didn't wanna go redo it tonight. Though I have to say that going up top was well worth the time I spent. There may not be a whole lot up there to do, other than look around, but the looking around part is amazing. The views are spectacular. The waves are so beautiful. *tear trickles down Åstro's face*. Anyway, yah, go take a look. If you can't figure out how to get up there, ask me, and I'll tell ya. Hint: No grenades needed.

Thnax,
~Åstro

Astro the Space Duck's picture

In reply to: Re: I'd like to propose an informal competition... ;-)

Oh, and yes it's possible to get the Jeep up top too, though kinda hard. Hint: Toss 2 plasma grenades at it, in the spot you get up there on foot, followed by hitting it with a rocket. Never tried getting it up there (I woulda, but didn't have any grenades on me), but I have launched jeeps much farther and higher than you need to for that, just for the heck of it. I played Jeep Golf with a friend. We tried to see who would get their jeep the farthest in 2 strokes (stroke=2plasgrenades+rocket). Tons of fun. Jeeps can really fly. Anyway, I digress.

Xyall

Thnax,
~Åstro

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: I'd like to propose an informal competition... ;-)

Does getting the jeep on top of your base in Blood Gulch count? nice little defensive weapon there, :)

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Re: I'd like to propose an informal competition... ;-)

Well, me and a few friends of mine got both jeeps and all 4 ghosts ontop of a blood gulch base. We also got 2 ghosts into those REALLY DAMN HIGH sniping spots in the snow level that supports vehicles (i cant remember what its called).

Next up, we might try getting a jeep up there.

We have also gotten the tank to balance pointing straight up in the air and lay balaned on its side on multiple ocasions.

Our reccord for in-air tricks with the jeep, with a person in the drivers seat, is 2 backflips 4 rolls and 3 turns all in one massive trick (caused by ramming 2 jeeps together at full speed).

Anyways... I'll see what else I can come up with. And maybe even get some shots for yall :)

Sisoft

Anonymous's picture

I may have not been paying attention enought but what exactly is/are the flood? I know they are zombies, but who made it? That Monitor guy woulden't have since his crew is trying to get rid of the flood.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: What is the Flood?

How did Captian Keyes turn into one of the flood?

: I may have not been paying attention enought but what
: exactly is/are the flood? I know they are zombies, but who
: made it? That Monitor guy woulden't have since his crew is
: trying to get rid of the flood.
:
: Does anyone have any ideas?

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: and a another question...

Maestro wrote on Friday, 11/30/2001 - 11:40 pm:

: How did Captian Keyes turn into one of the flood?
:
: : I may have not been paying attention enought but what
: : exactly is/are the flood? I know they are zombies, but
: who
: : made it? That Monitor guy woulden't have since his crew
: is
: : trying to get rid of the flood.
: :
: : Does anyone have any ideas?

The little critters were chewing on him in Pvt. Jenkins video.
:

Banzif's picture

In reply to: What is the Flood?

Maestro wrote on Friday, 11/30/2001 - 11:37 pm:

: I may have not been paying attention enought but what
: exactly is/are the flood? I know they are zombies, but who
: made it? That Monitor guy woulden't have since his crew is
: trying to get rid of the flood.
:
: Does anyone have any ideas?

In the level where you retrieve the index and the monitor is constantly saying stuff that you can't hear because you are in the middle of a fire fight... He makes a statement about it being an infection, might have even said virus. He also says that they are going to change the atmosphere. I would speculate that the little spider guys are how it is transmitted.

--Banzif

burp

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Re: What is the Flood?

Banzif wrote on Monday, 12/3/2001 - 7:43 pm:

: Maestro wrote on Friday, 11/30/2001 - 11:37 pm:
:
: : I may have not been paying attention enought but what
: : exactly is/are the flood? I know they are zombies, but
: who
: : made it? That Monitor guy woulden't have since his crew
: is
: : trying to get rid of the flood.
: :
: : Does anyone have any ideas?
:
: In the level where you retrieve the index and the monitor
: is constantly saying stuff that you can't hear because you
: are in the middle of a fire fight... He makes a statement
: about it being an infection, might have even said virus. He
: also says that they are going to change the atmosphere. I
: would speculate that the little spider guys are how it is
: transmitted.
:
: --Banzif

1.The Flood Us a alien like covenant but they were wiped out but there were still some in a bunker and in the contament in the Libary when the Dame@$$es opened the doors They were fully breeded and they needed more food so they attacked.

2.Keys Did not turn into a Flood He was Infested but he fought back as hard as he could and lost but he didin't getinfested HE acually commeted SUICIDE somehow.

THINK i am insane!! thank u.
-Deepthroat

shibby's picture

In reply to: Awnser

the real quiestion is ...... are there any other types of flood, and how do they communicate.... if u look at captin keyes in the level KEYES... hes not any form of the flood we have seen before . he is in what looks lyk a massive flood brain. is that how they communicate? and what is it ? does it just take people with a higher rank to learn more?is it how they think? what is that giant blob ?

narcogen's picture

In reply to: Re: Awnser

Yes, there were a few things I thought were strange about that sequence. It DOES look like they took Keyes to be the brain.

But why? Did they know he was of higher rank?

And if so, why not use the Covenant commander, given that they are attempting to escape in a Covenant cruiser?

shibby wrote on Saturday, 08/17/2002 - 6:07 pm:

: the real quiestion is ...... are there any other types of
: flood, and how do they communicate.... if u look at captin
: keyes in the level KEYES... hes not any form of the flood we
: have seen before . he is in what looks lyk a massive flood
: brain. is that how they communicate? and what is it ? does
: it just take people with a higher rank to learn more?is it
: how they think? what is that giant blob ?



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



Ryan's picture

In reply to: Re: Awnser

Well Keyes does know how to fly a Covenant ship, he flies away the dropship at the end of the third level. Maybe they knew he was a clever guy (he must be to be the captain!) and thought he'd be useful. Has anyone else noticed that there are more than one pair of legs haning out of the bottom of the grusome structure that Keyes is in? Who the hell else did they put in there?!?

Ryan's picture

In reply to: Re: Awnser

By the way, you all know how the flood work, right? Their life cycle, I mean. The little spider ones bury themselves in a big enough creature, take control of it and do some DNA restructuring. If the host creature is too small or too badly damaged it becomes one of those exploding things.

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Re: Awnser

well maybe it we only see the captin because he was still alive when we got to the ship. then he died but he was still "fresh". maybe they wernt compltely through with him. maybe by the time they WERE done he wouldnt resemble his face or anything

Ryan's picture

In reply to: Re: Awnser

I don't think that life cycle is right, actually. Sorry!

One thing they never make totally clear is do the flood kill their victims first? Because they gather bodies, but captain Keyes is still himself when you arrive on the ship...just about, anyway.

narcogen's picture

In reply to: Re: Awnser

Dallon wrote on Sunday, 09/1/2002 - 10:07 pm:

: I don't think that life cycle is right, actually. Sorry!
:
: One thing they never make totally clear is do the flood
: kill their victims first? Because they gather bodies, but
: captain Keyes is still himself when you arrive on the
: ship...just about, anyway.

The weight of the evidence is on the idea that the Flood take live victims. At what point in the assimilation process is a victim dead, it seems unclear to me.

However, the scared marine on 343GS clearly indicates he escaped being taken by the Flood for infection because he played dead, and that the live ones were taken.



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



silicondream's picture

...how come people haven't been reexamining the meaning of "Covenant" in light of Halo's presented storyline? I haven't played it yet, so maybe it's so obvious that no one thought it needed mentioning...still, I'd think that the combined presences of a "Covenant" and a "Flood," both (at least believed to be) created or ordained by godlike beings, would generate a bit of discussion.

After all, God established a ________ so that the world would never again suffer a _____... :-)

SiliconDream =PN=

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Just wondering...

Different forums, mah man.
I've seen a few threads on the marathon story forum and hbo that theorize the Covenant are attacking humans because they believe humans are the Flood. It makes a hell of a lot of sense when you think about it...

The Covenant are the good guys..following the will of the Forerunners. That whole wipe humanity from the galaxy thing was a big misunderstanding.

silicondream's picture

In reply to: Re: Just wondering...

Yeah, I noticed those posts, and that certainly makes sense to me. Just surprised me that no one invoked the nomenclature coincidence as at least supporting evidence. But, again, I guess it was obvious.

narcogen's picture

In reply to: Re: Just wondering...

silicondream wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 12:31 am:

: Yeah, I noticed those posts, and that certainly makes
: sense to me. Just surprised me that no one invoked the
: nomenclature coincidence as at least supporting evidence.
: But, again, I guess it was obvious.

Well, actually, the roles are reversed. It depends how you phrase it.

If you construct your idea in the phrase "the covenant was to prevent a flood" then it works.

Of course, from an ideological perspective, the Flood was itself an act of God, intended to wipe out humanity; it didn't need to be controlled by another force.

Also, it's the Flood itself that does all the killing; the Covenant in that sense is just an agreement to stop... not a retaliation :)

But yes, it is odd that nobody seems to have mentioned it before.



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



silicondream's picture

In reply to: Re: Just wondering...

: Well, actually, the roles are reversed. It depends how you
: phrase it.
:
: If you construct your idea in the phrase "the covenant was
: to prevent a flood" then it works.

I was thinking more of "the covenant was to indirectly prevent a second flood after the first."

: Of course, from an ideological perspective, the Flood was
: itself an act of God, intended to wipe out humanity; it
: didn't need to be controlled by another force.

Well, within the text of Genesis, God is not represented as omniscient or totally benevolent; he needs "reminders" to jog his memory and curb his anger. Although of course most modern Christians would interpret it differently.

: Also, it's the Flood itself that does all the killing; the
: Covenant in that sense is just an agreement to stop... not a
: retaliation :)

But this seems consistent to me with the Covenant initially targeting humanity. My conjectural history--based on this one tiny scrap of info--would be that a previous Flood outbreak was interpreted as divine judgement by the ancestors of the Covenant, who then decided to keep the galaxy pure of sinful races like humans, so that the gods would never be pissed off enough to unleash Flood again.

Of course, I'm not really entitled to construct theories without playing the game, so I'll have to come back to it in a year or so. :-)

--SiliconDream

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Re: Just wondering...

: Flood outbreak was interpreted as divine judgement by the
: ancestors of the Covenant, who then decided to keep the
: galaxy pure of sinful races like humans, so that the gods
: would never be pissed off enough to unleash Flood again.

Why are humans sinful and, let's say grunts, aren't? You'd think they'd ask humans to join them?
I'm guessing that the covenant mistook humans for Flood because in just a few years after the discovery of FTL they had colonized dozens of worlds and were spreading like a plague.
Ancient texts or whatever that the Covenant have access to may describe the Flood like this..

pimpy's picture

In reply to: Re: Just wondering...

Mumbles wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 2:48 pm:

: I'm guessing that the covenant mistook humans for Flood
: because in just a few years after the discovery of FTL they
: had colonized dozens of worlds and were spreading like a
: plague.
: Ancient texts or whatever that the Covenant have access to
: may describe the Flood like this..

When you mentioned how humanity is possibly spreading at this time it brought back to mind the dialogue from the Matrix between Agent Smith and Morpheus. In this dialogue Agent Smith compares humanity to a virus that depletes an area of its [natural] resources then continues on to their next area. Considering how the plague feed on sentient life and then spread, I can see how the comparison can be very similar.

One thing that has me a bit confused is that at the end of Halo when you are leaving the construct there are no other Covenant ships in the area. Also (although I have not played Halo much) there is mention of a familiarity between Sparks and Keyes, as well as others. What is unusual about this is why would Sparks have previously encountered humanity beforehand?

Back on topic with the Covenant and Flood theme, the Forerunners were by no means gods, merely a vastly advanced race (likely comparable to the Vorlons from Babylon5). The problem is that no matter how advanced they might have been, they are not perfect. Note SD's mention that "Well, within the text of Genesis, God is not represented as omniscient or totally benevolent". So no matter how well the efforts of the Forerunners might have been they were not without their fair share of mistakes. The problem here is that one of their mistakes might very well be capable of destroying humanity, the Covenant or 1/8 of the universe.

Given that the Flood are not capable of destroying the entire universe, or at least that is what is speculated, this brings up the topic of how or why they would be limited to a given area. Likely there was only enough food for the flood to expand to a given area and not beyond. With humanity spreading at such a rapid pace the Covenant may fear that an imbalance might have been created and that the Flood quite possibly may be able to exceed their previous limits.

In all honesty we can continue this arguement for weeks, but without further evidence or hints from Bungie it really won't ever get answered. The only information that we have not being used at this time are the Cortana letters. And I bet that may possibly help determine the relationship between Sparks and Keyes/Cortana for us.

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Remember the Matrix...

Unfortunately the Cortana letters were just the ravings of some mad man that left Bungie over a year ago...

Anonymous's picture

In reply to: Re: Just wondering...

: Why are humans sinful and, let's say grunts, aren't? You'd
: think they'd ask humans to join them?

I don't know why humans are sinful and grunts aren't. :-) I'm just saying that however the Covenant define righteousness, they have a very compelling reason to eliminate the unrighteous: if they don't, they believe that the gods will do it with Flood and then EVERYBODY gets wiped out.

However, I understand that there are hints of previous human-Flood involvement, most notably the suggestions that the Master Chief (or an entity like him) has been on the Halo before. The Covenant might be dimly aware of this and infer that humanity was the Flood's intended target (and that humans must therefore be hated by the gods.)

: I'm guessing that the covenant mistook humans for Flood
: because in just a few years after the discovery of FTL they
: had colonized dozens of worlds and were spreading like a
: plague.
: Ancient texts or whatever that the Covenant have access to
: may describe the Flood like this..

Perhaps, though from first contact the Covenant must have realized that humans aren't exactly the galaxy-class threat the Flood were supposed to be. :-) And as a powerful spacefaring state themselves, the Covenant must have found out by now that interstellar expansion is pretty common (if this galaxy is anything like Marathon's, at least).

Also, as Louis Wu pointed out at HBO, if the Covenant think that humans are the Flood, they should have figured out their mistake by the end of Halo. Yet they seem just as hostile to humanity as before. But if they think that human wickedness is what brought on the Flood, then this makes sense; the Flood activity on the Halo only suggests to them that the gods are starting to get angry again, and now it's REALLY important to exterminate humans fast, before the Flood is fully unleashed.

Side note: The symbol of the Biblical God's Covenant with all living things to never unleash a flood again is the rainbow. Whenever he gets angry and amasses clouds to start flooding the earth, he sees the rainbow and remembers not to. And what's a rainbow but a big ol' ring in the sky? :-)

--SiliconDream

noctavis's picture

In reply to: Re: Just wondering...

SiliconDream =PN= wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 3:23 pm:

: : Why are humans sinful and, let's say grunts, aren't?
: You'd
: : think they'd ask humans to join them?
:
: I don't know why humans are sinful and grunts aren't. :-)
: I'm just saying that however the Covenant define
: righteousness, they have a very compelling reason to
: eliminate the unrighteous: if they don't, they believe that
: the gods will do it with Flood and then EVERYBODY gets wiped
: out.
:
: However, I understand that there are hints of previous
: human-Flood involvement, most notably the suggestions that
: the Master Chief (or an entity like him) has been on the
: Halo before. The Covenant might be dimly aware of this and
: infer that humanity was the Flood's intended target (and
: that humans must therefore be hated by the gods.)

Hrm, Sili... one question, from a guy who hasn't finished the game. For a long time we've used the idea that our protagonist may be a Mjolnir-type soldier. Or a forerunner to it. Didn't we gain that technology from the Jjarro?

(Or are we being told now that this universe is 100% separate from Marathon's?)

I'm wonderng if the species which make up the Covenant follow a different and perhaps even now-extinct partriarch-race than the Jjarro. Perhaps thinking they're carrying out that race's desires.

For some reason this religious situation in Halo reminds me of the Trow in Myth. Unlike just about everybody else, they worship a certain, less-popular god (Nyx, is it?) than Wyrd. And this provides some of their motivation for various actions down through Myth history.

: Perhaps, though from first contact the Covenant must have
: realized that humans aren't exactly the galaxy-class threat
: the Flood were supposed to be. :-) And as a powerful
: spacefaring state themselves, the Covenant must have found
: out by now that interstellar expansion is pretty common (if
: this galaxy is anything like Marathon's, at least).
:
: Also, as Louis Wu pointed out at HBO, if the Covenant
: think that humans are the Flood, they should have figured
: out their mistake by the end of Halo. Yet they seem just as
: hostile to humanity as before. But if they think that human
: wickedness is what brought on the Flood, then this makes
: sense; the Flood activity on the Halo only suggests to them
: that the gods are starting to get angry again, and now it's
: REALLY important to exterminate humans fast, before the
: Flood is fully unleashed.
:
: Side note: The symbol of the Biblical God's Covenant with
: all living things to never unleash a flood again is the
: rainbow. Whenever he gets angry and amasses clouds to start
: flooding the earth, he sees the rainbow and remembers not
: to. And what's a rainbow but a big ol' ring in the sky?
: :-)
:
: --SiliconDream

Aye, good point. Great draw on Biblical scripture for your thoughts, Sil. Seems that many might even be a little hesitant to draw on such things, lest they draw criticism from people who want to debate religion vs. atheism at every opportunity. ;-)

IIRC, as you said God did promise to never utilize the flood again. The next coming and cleansing of the world is supposed to be by fire.

One thought... I wasn't sure that I saw any Covenant troops who were covered in Flood larvae. But I haven't been able to complete that level yet. IF the Flood are only utilizing Humans in Halo, this might be one reason... the Covenant might recognize us as a potential to spread the Flood elsewhere, and seek to prevent that by eradicating us "proactively". In such a situation, they might see themselves as guardians to the greater good... and our destruction as the lesser of two evils, vs. allowing the Flood to spread again. But then, whom would they be protecting? Others who are also vulnerable? Maybe so, if the Flood had a particularly strong affinity for Human stock? *shrug*

What if Humans were engineered by the same race which produced the Flood? (Such creators either became more or less responsible with their powers, depending upon which of us came first, the Humans or the Flood.) If we were engineered by some other race - just a thought of mine - then I could see why we would be lumped in with them as just another thing to be destroyed. Another risk to the galaxy, and another offense to the Gods.

Perhaps Humankind is spreading through the galaxy at a rate that is too uncomfortable for the Covenant, even. In a movie named Enemy Mine, this is the case when Humans come into contact with another, older race known as the Dracs. It's possible that they even observed us for awhile to determine the dangers we represented, and decided that we were too similar to the Flood in our adaptability and rapid annexation of new worlds to risk allowing us to advance further. I hope it's nothing so hackneyed as another situation where an Alien race found us much too dangerous for our own, or the galaxy's own, good.

Anyway... Just thought I'd throw out a few weak thoughts before I get deeper into the story.

- Noctavis


Noctavis
Earendil's picture

In reply to: A few initial thoughts...

noctavis wrote on Wednesday, 12/5/2001 - 4:42 pm:

: SiliconDream =PN= wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 3:23 pm:
:
: : : Why are humans sinful and, let's say grunts, aren't?
: : You'd
: : : think they'd ask humans to join them?
: :
: : I don't know why humans are sinful and grunts aren't.
: :-)
: : I'm just saying that however the Covenant define
: : righteousness, they have a very compelling reason to
: : eliminate the unrighteous: if they don't, they believe
: that
: : the gods will do it with Flood and then EVERYBODY gets
: wiped
: : out.
: :
: : However, I understand that there are hints of previous
: : human-Flood involvement, most notably the suggestions
: that
: : the Master Chief (or an entity like him) has been on
: the
: : Halo before. The Covenant might be dimly aware of this
: and
: : infer that humanity was the Flood's intended target
: (and
: : that humans must therefore be hated by the gods.)
:
: Hrm, Sili... one question, from a guy who hasn't finished
: the game. For a long time we've used the idea that our
: protagonist may be a Mjolnir-type soldier. Or a forerunner
: to it. Didn't we gain that technology from the Jjarro?

according to the book, the tech the Spartens have is pure human tech, exept for the shield, it is a rip off of covie tech :-)
:
: (Or are we being told now that this universe is 100%
: separate from Marathon's?)

hell no! keep those evil thoughts out of your head! :-)
:
:
: : Perhaps, though from first contact the Covenant must
: have
: : realized that humans aren't exactly the galaxy-class
: threat
: : the Flood were supposed to be. :-) And as a powerful
: : spacefaring state themselves, the Covenant must have
: found
: : out by now that interstellar expansion is pretty common
: (if
: : this galaxy is anything like Marathon's, at least).
: :
: : Also, as Louis Wu pointed out at HBO, if the Covenant
: : think that humans are the Flood, they should have
: figured
: : out their mistake by the end of Halo. Yet they seem
: just as
: : hostile to humanity as before. But if they think that
: human
: : wickedness is what brought on the Flood, then this
: makes
: : sense; the Flood activity on the Halo only suggests to
: them
: : that the gods are starting to get angry again, and now
: it's
: : REALLY important to exterminate humans fast, before
: the
: : Flood is fully unleashed.

humm...maybe.
: :
: : Side note: The symbol of the Biblical God's Covenant
: with
: : all living things to never unleash a flood again is
: the
: : rainbow. Whenever he gets angry and amasses clouds to
: start
: : flooding the earth, he sees the rainbow and remembers
: not
: : to. And what's a rainbow but a big ol' ring in the sky?
:
: : :-)
: :
: : --SiliconDream
:
: Aye, good point. Great draw on Biblical scripture for your
: thoughts, Sil. Seems that many might even be a little
: hesitant to draw on such things, lest they draw criticism
: from people who want to debate religion vs. atheism at every
: opportunity. ;-)
:
: IIRC, as you said God did promise to never utilize
: the flood again. The next coming and cleansing of the world
: is supposed to be by fire.
:
: One thought... I wasn't sure that I saw any Covenant
: troops who were covered in Flood larvae. But I haven't been
: able to complete that level yet. IF the Flood are only
: utilizing Humans in Halo, this might be one reason... the
: Covenant might recognize us as a potential to spread the
: Flood elsewhere, and seek to prevent that by eradicating us
: "proactively". In such a situation, they might see
: themselves as guardians to the greater good... and our
: destruction as the lesser of two evils, vs. allowing the
: Flood to spread again. But then, whom would they be
: protecting? Others who are also vulnerable? Maybe so, if the
: Flood had a particularly strong affinity for Human stock?
: *shrug*

the flood *do* attack the covies. and on one level Cortana points out that the flood are "gathing bodies in the corner" on a closer look they are 4 covie bodies.
:
: What if Humans were engineered by the same race which
: produced the Flood? (Such creators either became more or
: less responsible with their powers, depending upon which of
: us came first, the Humans or the Flood.) If we were
: engineered by some other race - just a thought of mine -
: then I could see why we would be lumped in with them as just
: another thing to be destroyed. Another risk to the galaxy,
: and another offense to the Gods.
:
well I'd have to go with the flood being older then humans.

: Perhaps Humankind is spreading through the galaxy at a
: rate that is too uncomfortable for the Covenant, even. In a
: movie named Enemy Mine, this is the case when Humans
: come into contact with another, older race known as the
: Dracs. It's possible that they even observed us for awhile
: to determine the dangers we represented, and decided that we
: were too similar to the Flood in our adaptability and rapid
: annexation of new worlds to risk allowing us to advance
: further. I hope it's nothing so hackneyed as another
: situation where an Alien race found us much too dangerous
: for our own, or the galaxy's own, good.'

surrrrre, that's what ALL the stronger aliens say ;-)
:
: Anyway... Just thought I'd throw out a few weak thoughts
: before I get deeper into the story.

The only thing that you seem to think, that I am strongly against for some reason, is that the Covenant knew about the flood before they found them. the covenant came to the Halo looking for a weapon, the fact that they followed us was just luck, as they were looking for it, but had not found it.

*IF* the covenant knew about the flood, they must not have known they were on Halo.

another interesting thing that no seems to have brought up, is that the location of the Halo was hidden in a crystal. in fact it was a star map, something very basic and easy to decode (though humans top minds couldn't crack it cause they thought it was a language or a code).

why would the Forunners encode the location of the Halo in such a basic manner, and in something that is so long lasting as a crystal? and if it wasn't the Forunners, then who? and again the question of, Why?

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

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In reply to: Re: A few initial thoughts...

: *IF* the covenant knew about the flood, they must not have
: known they were on Halo.

Not neccesarily. Maybe in the first Flood outbreak, the humans were their host and the Flood got on ships and controlled them to Covenant space. Plus, read the intro to the swamp level again and watch the Covenant run all the way out of that structure like cowards. They know about the Flood, and what SiliconDream said is right. They had to start a Covenant to counter them, perhaps to please the gods.

: another interesting thing that no seems to have brought
: up, is that the location of the Halo was hidden in a
: crystal. in fact it was a star map, something very basic and
: easy to decode (though humans top minds couldn't crack it
: cause they thought it was a language or a code).
:
: why would the Forunners encode the location of the Halo in
: such a basic manner, and in something that is so long
: lasting as a crystal? and if it wasn't the Forunners, then
: who? and again the question of, Why?

I don't know if it was very basic to decode. It took Cortana sometime to figure it out, and she is the best of all the AIs. Plus the Covenant never figured it out, and they had it for a while before you got a hold of it.

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In reply to: Re: A few initial thoughts...

Pfhor wrote on Thursday, 12/6/2001 - 2:02 am:

: : *IF* the covenant knew about the flood, they must not
: have
: : known they were on Halo.
:
: Not neccesarily. Maybe in the first Flood outbreak, the
: humans were their host and the Flood got on ships and
: controlled them to Covenant space. Plus, read the intro to
: the swamp level again and watch the Covenant run all the way
: out of that structure like cowards. They know about the
: Flood, and what SiliconDream said is right. They had to
: start a Covenant to counter them, perhaps to please the
: gods.
:
For starting the Covenant think Halo is a weapon. if they new the flood were on Halo, it would seem to me that they would never set foot on the Halo, weapon or not.

and what does it mean that jackles and grunts were runing from the structure? an elite strike team was gutted down in there. if a team of "unbeatable" Smartens went down into the scructer, only to radio up that were encountered something new, and it was ripping us up, followed by no more transmissions. do you think our mariens would high tail it out of there? I think so...

: : another interesting thing that no seems to have
: brought
: : up, is that the location of the Halo was hidden in a
: : crystal. in fact it was a star map, something very basic
: and
: : easy to decode (though humans top minds couldn't crack
: it
: : cause they thought it was a language or a code).
: :
: : why would the Forunners encode the location of the Halo
: in
: : such a basic manner, and in something that is so long
: : lasting as a crystal? and if it wasn't the Forunners,
: then
: : who? and again the question of, Why?
:
: I don't know if it was very basic to decode. It took
: Cortana sometime to figure it out, and she is the best of
: all the AIs. Plus the Covenant never figured it out, and
: they had it for a while before you got a hold of it.

I'll have to go back and read it again, but it seems like Cortana said somehting to the effect of it being easy once she understood it was a star map, all she had to do was match it to what we knew of the galaxy so far. granted even if the humans new that, it might take them a longer time to match it to stars. but I doubt the humans had pen and pencil while trying to figure this out. they probably had there own AIs, maybe even AIs adapt at code breaking. course if they were "simple" AIs, then they would not be able to think outside the bounds of there created purpose, meaning trying to match it to stars would not be something they'd do.

Who knows....

Earendil

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In reply to: A few initial thoughts...

noctavis wrote on Wednesday, 12/5/2001 - 7:42 pm:

: IIRC, as you said God did promise to never utilize
: the flood again. The next coming and cleansing of the world
: is supposed to be by fire.

Aha. So God is a lawyer.

'I never promised I wouldn't send FIRE, did I?'



Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



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In reply to: Re: Just wondering...

SiliconDream =PN= wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 6:23 pm:

: : Why are humans sinful and, let's say grunts, aren't?
: You'd
: : think they'd ask humans to join them?

:
: However, I understand that there are hints of previous
: human-Flood involvement, most notably the suggestions that
: the Master Chief (or an entity like him) has been on the
: Halo before. The Covenant might be dimly aware of this and
: infer that humanity was the Flood's intended target (and
: that humans must therefore be hated by the gods.)

Is that the only indication?

I took that to be an indication that as in Marathon, future games might involve some travel into the past, that in MC's future he'll be on this Halo at sometime in the past. Or perhaps in an alternate timeline, if, for instance, the Halo and Marathon stories are parallel universes of some kind.

:


Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



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In reply to: timelines

: : However, I understand that there are hints of previous
: : human-Flood involvement, most notably the suggestions
: that
: : the Master Chief (or an entity like him) has been on
: the
: : Halo before. The Covenant might be dimly aware of this
: and
: : infer that humanity was the Flood's intended target
: (and
: : that humans must therefore be hated by the gods.)
:
: Is that the only indication?
:
: I took that to be an indication that as in Marathon,
: future games might involve some travel into the past, that
: in MC's future he'll be on this Halo at sometime in the
: past. Or perhaps in an alternate timeline, if, for instance,
: the Halo and Marathon stories are parallel universes of some
: kind.

Very possible, I say, still not shutting up in spite of never having played the game. Still, from the Covenant's point of view, it'd work out to the same thing: some human or human-related being was associated with the Flood back in the day. They might not know or care whether that being was a traveler from another era or timeline.

It'd be interesting if you turned out to be responsible for inciting the Covenant war against humanity in the first place...

--SiliconDream

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In reply to: Just wondering...

I figure that not enough people who might be heavily interested in deep story analysis are playing. (Note, I'm not saying that NONE are)

I'm for the most part holding off from spoilers until I finish... and from making more than basic thoughts about the story as well.

- Noctavis


Noctavis
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In reply to: Don't look at me... I'm still playing. ;-)

Well I've always wondered how the flood would go about spreading from planet to planet anyway. Maybe they can only do this by the intervention of other races as food or hosts. This could mean that by going to the Halo you have let the flood gain access to hosts and ships which would spread them to other planets. This begs the question of how the flood got to Halo if the Forerunners did not create them.

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In reply to: the Flood and how they.... flood

SockPuppet wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 11:59 pm:

: Well I've always wondered how the flood would go about
: spreading from planet to planet anyway. Maybe they can only
: do this by the intervention of other races as food or hosts.
: This could mean that by going to the Halo you have let the
: flood gain access to hosts and ships which would spread them
: to other planets. This begs the question of how the flood
: got to Halo if the Forerunners did not create them.

Well... Ever hear of a tiny little island in the Pacific known as Guam? It really isn't very big at all, but it houses an air base. And it has the largest number of snakes per square unit of area in the world, apparently. They migrated there, either floating on dead trees or piggybacking in Human shipments. And ate all of the birds on the island. It's a real battle, and the US is attempting all sorts of things, not only to eradicate the snakes, but to prevent them from spreading to other islands in the Pacific. There are traps ringing the airstrip in order to help keep the snake population down near any Human vehicles which may go elsewhere. So far they've jumped to two or three other islands, and this is just one example where something which developed in one ecosystem spreads with little restriction in another.

Other great examples of this include Amazonian fire ants in North America and African killer-bees spreading from South America, on up into the Midwest of the United States by now. It doesn't take much, and oftentimes, it only takes once. And these are real occurrences.
___

Now, fast forward into one potential future, as described by the movies Alien and Aliens... on LV426. The Aliens weren't indigenous (naturally-occurring) on that planet, either... they just got there, somehow, in a ship that was piloted by some other species. You can see the poor pilot, with a nice little hole in its chest, lying there in the control couch. Why he was transporting the aliens like that... who knows? Maybe they were a genengineered biological weapon. The Corporation was all gaga over that concept (in all four movies, actually). Maybe the aliens were naturally-occurring on some world, and just scrabbled their way to the top of the food chain in a particularly harsh ecosystem. They're awfully adaptive to different environments, while being intelligent. From what I've seen and read about evolution as we know it, most supersuccessful species also tend to be very specialized in certain ways - and if the conditions in which they thrive change, they may go nearly extinct (or simply go extinct) in the process of adapting. Some just can't adapt. So I naturally tend to lean towards Aliens being genetically engineered... even if some fiction titles written about the Aliens universe suggest otherwise.
___

Anyway... I've just barely encountered the Flood. The sequence where you take a memory device from a dead soldier's helmet was a great touch. Though they apparently did something similar with Pathways into Darkness.

I got to a lift after encountering them, breathed a sigh of relief, hit the button, and jumped on. I'd had enough of those for awhile. @&%*! - it went DOWN!!!

The Flood DO beg some strong comparison to head-crabs and crab-zombies in Half-Life, with many of the same features. Many people apparently feel like Bungie is directly ripping Valve off. However, I've noticed some differences.

1. The Flood larvae (crabs) are not individually as dangerous as Half-Life crabs. But they are much more numerous (flooding at you) and more mobile.

2. Flood larvae seem to attach anywhere. Half-Life headcrabs attach to - dun-dun-daaah - the head. One per person.

3. Flood zombies are much, MUCH more dangerous than Half-Life's zombies. For one thing, they wield weapons. (They're much more like bioconverted Marines in Starcraft in this respect) For another, they are much more aggressive, and have much more agility and mobility. They can even vault from a lower level to the next level up. Something you can't do. (why not, Mr. super-cybersoldier???)

4. You're encountering the Flood in a much more oppressive environment. The atmosphere seems so much less hopeful than it did in Half-Life. Compared to the Flood, many such encounters in Half-Life were not all THAT worrysome. More like being frightened at an amusement park ride... but you still know in the back of your head somewhere that you will get out. Somehow, I attained better "willing suspension of disbelief" with the Flood in Halo than I did with crabzombiesin Half-Life.
___

Anyway... just a few observations from the little I've seen (and know) so far. I hope to engage in some great story discussions once I've finished the game. I'll be interested to see how much more may be revealed about the story (since we've been told that different difficulty levels yield not only more or more dangerous enemies, but possibly new information as well) as time goes on.

- Noctavis


Noctavis
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In reply to: The Aliens, and snakes on Guam =)

: Well... Ever hear of a tiny little island in the Pacific
: known as Guam? It really isn't very big at all, but it
: houses an air base. And it has the largest number of snakes
: per square unit of area in the world, apparently. They
: migrated there, either floating on dead trees or
: piggybacking in Human shipments. And ate all of the birds on
: the island. It's a real battle, and the US is attempting all
: sorts of things, not only to eradicate the snakes, but to
: prevent them from spreading to other islands in the Pacific.
: There are traps ringing the airstrip in order to help keep
: the snake population down near any Human vehicles which may
: go elsewhere. So far they've jumped to two or three other
: islands, and this is just one example where something which
: developed in one ecosystem spreads with little restriction
: in another.

I take your point, but still floating on a tree is a much easier and more naturally occuring thing to do than float through space/hitch a ride on something.

: Other great examples of this include Amazonian fire ants
: in North America and African killer-bees spreading from
: South America, on up into the Midwest of the United States
: by now. It doesn't take much, and oftentimes, it only takes
: once. And these are real occurrences.

: Now, fast forward into one potential future, as described
: by the movies Alien and Aliens... on LV426.
: The Aliens weren't indigenous (naturally-occurring) on that
: planet, either... they just got there, somehow, in a ship
: that was piloted by some other species. You can see the poor
: pilot, with a nice little hole in its chest, lying there in
: the control couch. Why he was transporting the aliens like
: that... who knows? Maybe they were a genengineered
: biological weapon. The Corporation was all gaga over that
: concept (in all four movies, actually). Maybe the aliens
: were naturally-occurring on some world, and just scrabbled
: their way to the top of the food chain in a
: particularly harsh ecosystem. They're awfully
: adaptive to different environments, while being intelligent.
: From what I've seen and read about evolution as we know it,
: most supersuccessful species also tend to be very
: specialized in certain ways - and if the conditions in which
: they thrive change, they may go nearly extinct (or simply go
: extinct) in the process of adapting. Some just can't adapt.
: So I naturally tend to lean towards Aliens being genetically
: engineered... even if some fiction titles written about the
: Aliens universe suggest otherwise.

I haven't played the game yet (living in australia and all) but it seems that the Flood aren't intelligent, and aren't necissarily the best organism (naturally occuring or not) on the halo. All the Flood can seem to do is adapt in different circumstances with no real goal in mind but to kill and eat (I don't think that they procreate anywhere in the game).

: Anyway... I've just barely encountered the Flood. The
: sequence where you take a memory device from a dead
: soldier's helmet was a great touch. Though they apparently
: did something similar with Pathways into Darkness.

Can't wait for this game

: I got to a lift after encountering them, breathed a sigh
: of relief, hit the button, and jumped on. I'd had enough of
: those for awhile. @&%*! - it went DOWN!!!

Hehehe

: The Flood DO beg some strong comparison to head-crabs and
: crab-zombies in Half-Life, with many of the same features.
: Many people apparently feel like Bungie is directly ripping
: Valve off. However, I've noticed some differences.
:
: 1. The Flood larvae (crabs) are not individually as
: dangerous as Half-Life crabs. But they are much more
: numerous (flooding at you) and more mobile.
:
: 2. Flood larvae seem to attach anywhere. Half-Life
: headcrabs attach to - dun-dun-daaah - the head. One per
: person.
:
: 3. Flood zombies are much, MUCH more dangerous than
: Half-Life's zombies. For one thing, they wield weapons.
: (They're much more like bioconverted Marines in
: Starcraft in this respect) For another, they are much
: more aggressive, and have much more agility and mobility.
: They can even vault from a lower level to the next level up.
: Something you can't do. (why not, Mr.
: super-cybersoldier???)

I have great images of these utterly remorseless, phsycotic alien/human hybrid creatures now.

: 4. You're encountering the Flood in a much more oppressive
: environment. The atmosphere seems so much less hopeful than
: it did in Half-Life. Compared to the Flood, many such
: encounters in Half-Life were not all THAT worrysome. More
: like being frightened at an amusement park ride... but you
: still know in the back of your head somewhere that you
: will get out. Somehow, I attained better "willing
: suspension of disbelief" with the Flood in Halo than I did
: with crabzombiesin Half-Life.

Nuff said

: Anyway... just a few observations from the little I've
: seen (and know) so far. I hope to engage in some great story
: discussions once I've finished the game. I'll be interested
: to see how much more may be revealed about the story (since
: we've been told that different difficulty levels yield not
: only more or more dangerous enemies, but possibly new
: information as well) as time goes on.
:
: - Noctavis

Maybe there is much more to the story that we don't know.... maybe not. I'll let you find out while I wait patiently for Halo to come on Mac and get to Australia.

::Goes to front door; waits::

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In reply to: Re: The Aliens, and snakes on Guam =)

: Maybe there is much more to the story that we don't
: know.... maybe not. I'll let you find out while I wait
: patiently for Halo to come on Mac and get to Australia.

Get an Xbox...MS dropped the price to AU$399 today. :)

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In reply to: The Aliens, and snakes on Guam =)

noctavis wrote on Wednesday, 12/5/2001 - 5:18 pm:

: ___
:
: Now, fast forward into one potential future, as described
: by the movies Alien and Aliens... on LV426.
: The Aliens weren't indigenous (naturally-occurring) on that
: planet, either... they just got there, somehow, in a ship
: that was piloted by some other species. You can see the poor
: pilot, with a nice little hole in its chest, lying there in
: the control couch. Why he was transporting the aliens like
: that... who knows? Maybe they were a genengineered
: biological weapon. The Corporation was all gaga over that
: concept (in all four movies, actually). Maybe the aliens
: were naturally-occurring on some world, and just scrabbled
: their way to the top of the food chain in a
: particularly harsh ecosystem. They're awfully
: adaptive to different environments, while being intelligent.
: From what I've seen and read about evolution as we know it,
: most supersuccessful species also tend to be very
: specialized in certain ways - and if the conditions in which
: they thrive change, they may go nearly extinct (or simply go
: extinct) in the process of adapting. Some just can't adapt.
: So I naturally tend to lean towards Aliens being genetically
: engineered... even if some fiction titles written about the
: Aliens universe suggest otherwise.
: ___

I tried my best to find the original book for Aliens 3, but came up empty since there are so many of them now. Anyway, in the original sequel to Aliens, Newt and Hicks survive and make it all the way back to Earth. As it turns out the large ship that originally crashed onto LV-426 was a transport ship and the Aliens were their cargo. One way or another things got bad and the ship crashed. The reason for the transporting of the Aliens was for sale to the Predators (honestly, I'm not making this up).

Anyways, back on Earth Newt keeps having these horrible nightmares because the Company actually has a few Aliens that they are breeding and conducting expiriments to on Earth. It ends up that Newt has a psychic ability and that is why she is having these terrible dreams. As always things go wrong and the Aliens get lose on Earth. Newt somehow gets contacted by the original alien race that crashed onto LV-426 and they begin their journey to Earth in order to help us.

During this time we also encounter the Predator race and they offer to help us with our Alien problem, as they hunt them for sport. After a while the Aliens are put back in line, although they still live on Earth and everything seems fine. Newt no longer has the same nightmares but she learns that the original alien race that is still en route to Earth is not coming to help us at all, but to take over our planet. And that is where the book ends.

I know it seems like a big mess, but the book covers all the details quite well actually. All in all, the story fits in with the majority of the Alien vs. Predator themes, but it also adds in the new addition of the original alien race on LV-426. I hope this helps a little with your questions and with any luck I will find the book before too long and provide you with all the copyright information.

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

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In reply to: The Aliens, and snakes on Guam =)

: Anyway... I've just barely encountered the Flood. The
: sequence where you take a memory device from a dead
: soldier's helmet was a great touch. Though they apparently
: did something similar with Pathways into Darkness.

Aye, that bit was cool. Right after that, when the masses of Flood, well...flood out at you was terrifying. :)

: I got to a lift after encountering them, breathed a sigh
: of relief, hit the button, and jumped on. I'd had enough of
: those for awhile. @&%*! - it went DOWN!!!

Hahah, that was exactly the same reaction I had. :) I was looking frantically around for the switch to go back up when the lift finally stopped. :)

: 4. You're encountering the Flood in a much more oppressive
: environment. The atmosphere seems so much less hopeful than
: it did in Half-Life. Compared to the Flood, many such
: encounters in Half-Life were not all THAT worrysome. More
: like being frightened at an amusement park ride... but you
: still know in the back of your head somewhere that you
: will get out. Somehow, I attained better "willing
: suspension of disbelief" with the Flood in Halo than I did
: with crabzombiesin Half-Life.

I've never played Half Life, but I'll certainly agree with the oppressive atmosphere bit in The Library. I'd say scary, even. Especially since the Flood come out of those big duct-things in the walls.

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On the second level there are two buildings that are firing bolts of...something, into space (more specifically the other side of Halo, but not sure about that). survivors can be found near them. what is the purpose of the buildings and that plasma?

Why do alien swords disappear when the alien dies?

Why do the alien rocket launchers blow up when they die ( http://www.bungie.net/images/site/halo/screenshots/scrn_034.jpg )

I know the Flood change humans by mutating genes. but is the Flood a disease that spreads and causes life forms to change and go rampant, or an intelligent race with a purpose?

sparks refers to the Halo not only as a prison, but also as a lab. were the Forunners experimenting with the flood? and if so, where they the ones that inadvertently created the flood?

it makes sense that they were experimenting with them, after all they were able to imprison them, they could have killed them, and since they kept them, I can think of no other reason then experimentation.

bring up another point. WHY experiment on them? only conclusion I can make, is that maybe in another part of the universe the flood run free, and the Forunners were trying to find a way of stopping them.

sparks seems fascinated by the structures of Halo. is this because some other race besides the Forunners have been to Halo? or that sparks has never been awakened and let loose until this emergency of the flood getting out came about?

is sparks an AI? or an auto mated program? my bet is on an AI, but if it’s an AI, then why can’t it jump from system to system? why does it need to be contained within that little sphere and go from panel to panel and zap them to change things? only thing I can think of, is that they wanted to protect sparks from OTHER AIs. I have a feeling Cortana could take out that little prick if she had the chance, but they never seem to come in contact while inside the system.

if sparks is an AI, why isn’t it superior to Cortana? after all he was created by the Forunners to watch over the flood right?

Sparks ask the Spartan to take the( ...damn I forget the name, whatever that big glowing green stick was), because he wasn’t worthy (or something like that). why the hell isn’t he? was there supposed to be some other life on Halo when the flood got out? that seems like a stupid thing as that is what the flood see as food.

which brings up ANOTHER thing. they said the flood EATS life. now...does that mean it is a disease that takes over a body, and in the process of “eating” it it mutates the life form until it dies?

What’s the point of the Halos destroying all life in the galaxy? did the Forunners see the blood as evil? that they would rather destroy all life with the flood then let the flood live? and at best give any other life a fighting chance? (after all, in space the person with the better tech/brains wins, not the one that can jump farthest and beat you with a tentacle). besides that, wouldn’t the flood eat all life and then die for lack of food? or maybe that doesn’t apply to the flood (they were able to stay locked up for some time without dying).

we know that it is “the will of the gods” that we be destroyed by the covenant. we also learn that the covies see the Forunners as “gods”. so is it the Forunners will that we die? and in that case, could it be that they are mistaking us for the flood? (I had this idea written down before I read about it on other forums :)

the covies learned of the Halos from some one/thing. they had never been to one (or so I figure, as the flood aren’t running around until now). they were searching for one (read the Halo book, it explains this, to some degree, though it’s never figured out by anyone except Cortana, who’s blind jump wasn’t really a blind jump). WHO did the covies learn of the halo from?

if the covies don’t take prisoners, and plan to destroy us without negotiating, then why and how did the grunts learn English?

All I can think of atm.
No I do not expect answers, just some discussion :-)

Earendil

Oh! They have the internet on computers now! - Homer J Simpson

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In reply to: I Few Questions To Ponder

Earendil wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 2:12 am:

:
: I know the Flood change humans by mutating genes. but is
: the Flood a disease that spreads and causes life forms to
: change and go rampant, or an intelligent race with a
: purpose?
:
: sparks refers to the Halo not only as a prison, but also
: as a lab. were the Forunners experimenting with the flood?
: and if so, where they the ones that inadvertently created
: the flood?

Perhaps, when looking for an analogue for Halo's story in the annals of science fiction, we shouldn't be looking so much at Ringworld, but at Rama.

The cylindrical Rama world of Arthur C. Clarke's books bears some similarities-- a huge construct created by a lost race for an unknown purpose that seems to serve as living quarters and laboratories for at least one if not multiple spacefaring species which come and go over time.

Perhaps it's a lab not for studying the Flood, but for using the Flood as a tool for discovering and/or studying other races and cultures like the Covenant and humanity, by examining how they deal with the situation. Perhaps all the on-the-surface stuff about the Halo being designed to combat the Flood in particular is a ruse designed to put other races into certain roles.

Just a thought.
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Narcogen


Rampant for over se7en years.



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In reply to: Re: I Few Questions To Ponder

narcogen wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 5:09 am:

: Earendil wrote on Tuesday, 12/4/2001 - 2:12 am:
:
: :
: : I know the Flood change humans by mutating genes. but
: is
: : the Flood a disease that spreads and causes life forms
: to
: : change and go rampant, or an intelligent race with a
: : purpose?
: :
: : sparks refers to the Halo not only as a prison, but
: also
: : as a lab. were the Forunners experimenting with the
: flood?
: : and if so, where they the ones that inadvertently
: created
: : the flood?
:
: Perhaps, when looking for an analogue for Halo's story in
: the annals of science fiction, we shouldn't be looking so
: much at Ringworld, but at Rama.

only read ring world.
:
: The cylindrical Rama world of Arthur C. Clarke's books
: bears some similarities-- a huge construct created by a lost
: race for an unknown purpose that seems to serve as living
: quarters and laboratories for at least one if not multiple
: spacefaring species which come and go over time.

humm...sounds like a good book.
:
: Perhaps it's a lab not for studying the Flood, but for
: using the Flood as a tool for discovering and/or studying
: other races and cultures like the Covenant and humanity, by
: examining how they deal with the situation. Perhaps all the
: on-the-surface stuff about the Halo being designed to combat
: the Flood in particular is a ruse designed to put other
: races into certain roles.

but what is the point of an experiment if you aren't there for the resualts? are the forunners sitting in another galaxy looking at the milky way waiting for it to go out in a ball of flame and fire just to say "well, they did it again, come on guys, back to build more halos".

once the Halos do there thing, supposedly the only thing left will be the fact that they did blow up. and after that, there will (hopefully) be no more flood so no more experiments.
hum...
Earendil
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: Just a thought.
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: : it makes sense that they were e
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Narcogen

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